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Seniors should not be allowed to drive.
I’d say periodic testing is warranted for all drivers. A lot of people shouldn’t be driving.
Your license is valid for 10 years and to renew it you have to re-test. Most states could double the dmv budget and barely blink and if it was federal it would be even easier... but we can't have nice things, and more idiots on the roads crashing means more cars, more sales, more insurance, more collisions, more chaos, more more more!
I’ve lived in countries where test validity decreases with age. So a senior would be tested more frequently.
The nature of the test is important too. If your test can’t capture risky behavior, it’s not doing much.
Can you explain a bit? How does that work? We don't re-test at all.
Sure! I’ll talk in generic terms here because these regulations tend to change with time and each country will have their own particularities.
You have your license validity and test validity, they are not coupled. Your license is never valid for longer than your test, and it expires so the government can update your picture, check documents, make sure you pay your fines, etc.
There are also follow-up tests that you must pass after getting your license. They are not a full test, so it’s cheaper to run, but intended to check you still know your basics, are up to date in major regulations, still maintain minimal aptitude for driving, etc.
I’ll come up with an example, bear in mind I didn’t research actual numbers because that would depend on where in the world you’re looking at. So perhaps you need to retest one year after first getting your license, then 5 years, then every 10. But then, if you’re over 55, you need to retest every 5 years. Then every 3 years if you’re over 65. Then finally every year if you’re over 75.
Brazil and Germany had some rules like that but not all, in some shape. I don’t know what their current regulations are.
Yeah but letting old people drive is like letting blind people drive. Sometimes literally.
That's just more theatre. Testing is waaaay too easy. Since Canada (in this case) is such a car centric society without suitable alternatives, the testing is barely a check box. The government knows it is too challenging to live without a license for the average person.
Still probably a good idea though, at least it gets the really sketchy people off the roads.
Edit: grammar
If your testing is useless, that’s another problem. A test that doesn’t test what you want to test doesn’t pass the test.
Seniors should have quality public transport options to use and bike/walking infrastructure for short trips or mobility scooters.
They should, but they should have to undergo regular evaluations from both their doctor and licensing agency. To counter this, they should also be offered free lifetime public transit passes and significant discounts for taxis, ride-hailing apps, etc.
They do in Canada, but it's an easy written test. No driving test. And only once you hit 80.
Every driver should be regularly retested. People can develop bad habits, vision can change, reaction times can change, the rules of the road change, yet we trust people to drive safely forever after just a handful of tests while they are teenagers.
But that would be too expensive! /s
I say too bad. Don't do something if you can't do it correctly so we shouldn't allow cars into cities if we aren't going to make it as safe as possible.
As long as our infrastructure is the way it is driving is a fundamental necessity, unfortunately.
Humans should not be allowed to drive at greater than a running speed anyplace they might encounter another human.