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Can you link that poll please? I’ve seen it as well, but can’t find it again.
I’m pretty sure you’re misrepresenting it, one of the options was “uncertain” at around 35%. “doing too much” was the predominant view.
This is akin to saying “only 30% of Americans voted for Joe Biden and he somehow still won” neglecting to mention that you’re including non voters.
Ok, Google is a bit of a dumpster fire, but here's a few things retracing my steps:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453
That's in May, but it's a more popular link. That and a thing from Chicago foreign affairs which idk as well so I didn't link it.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/israel-gaza-americans-poll-chicago/index.html
This is two days ago, had to tell Google to look for recent. It's not what I'm citing but it echoes it. People aren't thrilled with CNN, but it's not the only source if you do the time limited search yourself.
If I didn't have two kids driving me crazy past their bedtime I'd search out more but the whole ordeal reeks of false consensus bias. Most people want to believe they're in the majority. But if it makes people feel better, the anti war minority is probably correct (and my guess is the real majority is just ignorance or indifference).
Edit: it's 61% saying US is doing well there. Most of it is "somewhat" so it's not like it's 5/5 stars. The Chicago one actually is a good read and it's what the CNN one is based on I think. https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-see-united-states-playing-positive-role-middle-east
Yeah, I can’t find the raw numbers which is unfortunate, but I think my point stands. The study you linked is different, 60% of Americans as a whole opposed to just Democrats.
Among Democrats who actually care about the issue, the majority want restrictions on arms to Israel. This is admittedly whittling things down a bit, but these are the people the Democrats need to win over. There’s a path to victory by getting a coalition of progressives + people who don’t really care. The die-hard “let’s kill more Palestinians” people are just going to vote Republican either way and trying to pander to them is a losing strategy.
I don't think pro Isreal group are rallying to kill Palestinians, my guess is they see it like how we got with Al Queda after 9/11. It's a stupid approach to terrorism, though people never learn from (recent) history.
Also the Chicago one does break it down by party, and yeah, 40% and 30% as you say. Looks like the sample is mentioned a little, about 2k. Probably phone screened. Honestly that's probably closer to a statistical tie with those saying it's a good balance + those saying we need more (lol). I like they also asked "is this getting brought up too much"--- I'll admit I'm probably with the ones saying it's too much, but then again it's not my biggest issue compared to climate change, education, and so on. Having an unhabitable world is gonna kill a lot more people than this conflict and we're way more complicit in that. But I digress.
All I'm saying is if those numbers can be higher, it becomes too toxic to support, you'd see a bigger push on Isreal. You see that with other issues over the last few decades, with LGBTQ, abortion, etc, getting big policy platform shifts when public opinion changes. It's just remarkable how resistant Isreal opinion is, given this isn't even their first time fucking with Palestinians.
It is a good read, specifically "seven in 10 Democrats (68%) and more than half of Independents (54%) support restricting military aid to Israel".
Well we broke 60%, I'm waiting
We? You're including yourself among people who want to restrict military aid to Israel?
Why do you want Trump to win?
We as in the US. Because the comment was made "If 60% called for a ban on weapons sales, you better believe it'll be reflected in the platform."
What is with people like you making wild leaps in bad faith.
I was quoting the standard centrist line about anyone who has objections to genocide. I can't imagine why you hadn't encountered it before.
Ah maybe that's just me, I don't like to push stereotypes and make sweeping assumptions lol
Tell me again about how I'm forcing people to vote for trump by saying that Democrats have no business supporting genocide.
Because you're only attacking Dems for supporting it while ignoring how Reps are reacting to it. Only attacking one side very much seems like you are favoring the other.
Article's about a Democrat supporting it. You're only attacking Dems who oppose it.
I have no idea your "side", I'm not going after one side, you seem to be the only one calling out parties.
Yeah, look at all the genocide supporters who have been the recipients of a piece of your mind.