Skepticism Sunday #7 — August 25, 2024 (monero.town)

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NOT the positive aspects of it.
Discussion can relate to the technology itself or its economics.
Talk about community and price is not wanted, but some discussion about it maybe allowed if it relates well.
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[-] nihilist@monero.town 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it's not complicated, make sure that anonymity is maintained for all developers (like they do all their work from inside a whonix VM let's say), and that you have copies of all the important monero mirrors somewhere (on a gitea instance accessible via .onion or something similar), in case if monero gets the tornadocash treatment.

that way they can't go after the developers' freedom of speech, and even if they take the repositories down from github, the show can go on elsewhere.

i'll pitch in to advise people if opsec is brought up

[-] antidote@monero.town 1 points 2 months ago

Good! It would be nice to have that written somewhere accessible for all.

In case of Tornado Cash treatment everyone would also need a way to verify the signatures and authenticity for repos, links etc. That's not trivial either.

[-] nihilist@monero.town 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nah that's easy too. you need to make sure the developers use PGP keys to confirm their identity. https://blog.nowhere.moe/opsec/pgp/index.html + https://blog.nowhere.moe/opsec/whonixqemuvms/index.html

but yeah the idea is to have a Disaster recovery plan, kind of idea, totally makes sense.

[-] antidote@monero.town 2 points 2 months ago

Great articles btw!

[-] antidote@monero.town 1 points 2 months ago

Nice! A disaster recovery plan would fit the bill nicely.

Unrelated, I have personally started switching from pgp to minisign (for signing stuff and confirming it's indeed from me) and age (for encryption, when I don't want prying eyes on my stuff, https://github.com/FiloSottile/age).