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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 8 points 3 months ago

People who love arguing socialist states fail love to ignore that the reasons are 95% economic interference and outright military intervention or coups from capitalist countries.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

The guy who answered you is actually right.

Outright military interventions and coups are part of the package called the real world.

Anyway, I would replace "capitalist" with "bandit" here. Because "capitalism" is just as square-abstract as "communism", while IRL just as vulnerable to those.

See, there's an important thing called "feedback". If there's no feedback from you, your life doesn't matter and you get stomped upon.

60s-70s USSR had very weak feedback mechanisms, but still surprisingly better than today's Russia. Some things that people just accept today would cause real protests there. Half the ministries would be paralyzed by people saying that following such a policy is against their conscience. I really believe that, yes.

But then, due to its slow collapse and decay, those feedbacks becoming stronger started pushing for change that would deprive the ruling class - KGB and similar or related people, bureaucrats and relatives, anyway, the real structures usually don't have names, - of power. That's when that class hijacked the popular movement from the likes of Sakharov or Starovoitova and created modern post-Soviet states.

Which means that it had blind zones with no feedbacks said class used. And the more centralist-bureaucratic and non-transparent a state is, the more blind zones it has.

Anything that takes the power from being distributed between separate people and assembles it into one Moloch, calling it "power of the people", controlled by hell knows whom, means that those people who actually have principles will get stomped.

As we can see, though, same things happen in countries very far from being "communist" or "socialist".

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So, it doesn't work?

Edit: Lol angry tankies incoming.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 3 months ago

Does democracy not work because Athens lost a war to Sparta?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

We dont have Greek democracy any more. We have the modern version.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

Don't think about that too hard.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We don't have Soviet communism anymore either. Perhaps it's time to try a modern version.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

We don't have nazism any more either, let those dictator fueled murder rampages rest.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Well, nobody in their right mind has been calling them good.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So i can come deflate your tires every night and tell everybody you're a loser who doesn't even know how to fill a tire then?

If you knew how to take care of your car the tires wouldn't be flat every morning. 🤷‍♂️

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The result is that either you deal with the problem successfully, or you'll be having flat tires every morning.

Is that so hard to understand?

Amazing...

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