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How Israel Built and Sold Explosive Pagers to Hezbollah
(gizmodo.com)
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this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2024
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That the other 3000 hits are Hezbollah people is said by the Israel army, which is not exactly known for being truthful regarding non israelian civilian casualties, to say it in a neutral way.
The kids are especially put in the foreground of the discussion because they are definitely innocent. For any regular middle age man? Fat chance when the IDF even says schools and hospitals are terrorist buildings. They just call them terrorist, because they only kill terrorist. You got killed? Means you were a terrorist.
Info that those hit were by far and large Hezbollah members is also coming from journalists on the ground. Speculating that Hezbollah distributed these pagers to anyone but their members is wishful thinking on the part of those that want to convince themselves
Can you give me a link to articles from the journalists on the ground please, I'm not doubting you, I just haven't seen them myself yet. I only saw articles which reference officials from both sides (which doesn't really mean anything between Hezbollah and Israel)
I'm doubting them. The IDF always lies and this person is defending a genocidal country and terrorist, ethnostate. It's like giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt. But I'd also be curious to see these articles of proof that everyone killed was Hezbollah. The pictures I saw before showed lot of collateral damage and I doubt the two children were Hezbollah. This method of attack is very fire and forget, there's no way they have that info unless they have journalists at every hospital asking if the people coming in with blown off hands are Hezbollah.
Here's one example:
There's also footage of some of them going off. Together with the reports of people with missing fingers (holding the pagers) and the relative low number of casualties vs the number of affected devices show that the explosive force was rather limited. It would be extremely unlikely that these devices, distributed to those that needed to be securely reachable by Hezbollah, caused many collateral damage.
First: thank you for providing the article!
But that is not what you claimed earlier. Reuters specifically doesn't claim they are or are not Hezbollah members. Just that they saw videos of hurt people.
Just to make my stand point clear: I don't mean that this attack mostly attacked civilians, I just don't think we are at a level of information yet, where the full broadness of the attack is clear. If it really would be 2 innocent on 3000 hits, then yes, that would a "good" number.
If you expect journalists to verify who is and who's not affiliated with Hezbollah at the hospital doors I hope you understand that that's just an impossible bar to clear.
But if you Occam's razor that bitch, it's just statistically impossible that so many men and not women and children would be injured or dead, with these kind of injuries, if it were any different. There's plenty of footage where you can see the force of the blast.