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A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban
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Charge them with murder
This is the only logical answer for this. Otherwise- their deaths mean nothing.
the logical answer is something else entirely. definitely don't hold your breath for the state to make them accountable.
I I’m not. Because the american government follows no logic whatsoever.
That's not logical? It doesn't even have a legal basis.
The real logical answer to bad government management is the French one - protest
And if protests dont work as they often dont, then what? The guillotine. Thats a french thing nest pas?
The collective can decide :) Very French
https://youtube.com/shorts/kRtYKERaXgc?si=hfEUlgQ-4COZn9Fo
Let me know how that goes.
We might be headed toward the same conditions that spawned the French revolution. I'm not in favor of that but once the wealth transfer gets to a certain point there's historical president to draw upon.
That isn’t going to happen. And in the very off chance that it does- the government is guaranteed the win, and the people will suffer.
Greatly.
The government is made of people. Those people might refuse to do their jobs too.
A protest is SUBSTANTIALLY more likely to happen than the original suggestion of charging state lawmakers with murder. There's no murder charge that would qualify.
Reckless endangerment and manslaughter.
They were warned that women would die due these laws and they didn't listen. They recklessly put those laws there and people died... resulting in manslaughter.
I'd prefer homicide too, but I feel like manslaughter charges would stick better because you don't have to prove intent, just that someone died because of their actions.
Riiiiight. Well, have fun storming the castle. Just don’t make a mess on my street, okay? I don’t want to have to clean that shit up.
And there it is! Internet activists calling people they know nothing about “cowards”. Typical lemmy rhetoric.
You’re going to have to forgive me if I walk away from this conversation having felt a touch of second-hand embarrassment for you. That’s just me being me.
I’m just empathic that way.
I wouldn't say I insulted you, more like described. You yourself said you'd sit inside while people protested women's deaths, and hoped you wouldn't be inconvenienced by it. Is that not an act of cowardice?
Okay bud, I think you’re done here.
No.
Who? And on what legal grounds?
The state government. Legislature that drew up and ratified the murderous writs
Okay, so is staff included in that? And what's the legal basis? What law could they be charged under for this?
Depends on how involved they were in the laws creation. Probably not enough to matter though. Their bosses could be charged with involuntary manslaughter on an individual basis, conspiracy to commit murder as a group or individual.
Involuntary manslaughter would probably not stick as a charge
https://zealousadvocate.com/resources/law/involuntary-manslaughter-texas-legal-insights-and-real-world-perspectives/
It's the actus reus part that I don't think checks out with this charge. They weren't acting unlawfully. They weren't acting criminally. They were doing their jobs within the law.
https://www.dwilawyerstexas.com/tx-penal-code-15-02-criminal-conspiracy/
Again, they weren't acting unlawfully.
It's actually legal for legislatures to pass legislation that kills us "passively." Otherwise, if it wasn't legal, homeless people could sue for their conditions and win. People who die from lack of medical care could sue and win. People who die in car accidents could sue because we dont have public transportation due to oil industry. We could sue due to climate change effects and government policies that worsened that. They currently cannot sue lawmakers and win those cases.
I am 100% for having laws in place that charge lawmakers with crimes for policies like this. But they currently don't exist how we want them to.