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That's whataboutism and completely irrelevant.
Russia does not have free press, everything from Russia is propaganda.
So it is also a false equivalence.
Also by that logic no Western sources are acceptable, because we are allied with Ukraine, and are biased towards Ukraine.
Ukrainian press is as free as russian press, that's why the equivalence holds.
I didn't take any pro-Russia stance, but I doubt "supporting" Ukraine is just accepting everything it comes from their outlets.
We are not recruiting soldiers here on lemmy, and the ukranians in the front line do not hear nor care about your thoughts on their propaganda, so we have the possibility to be honest about both parties' biases, even coming from who we are "allied" with.
Our side of the internet is full of people treating this war like ultras in a football game.
Making a false equivalence that clearly favors Russia is absolutely a pro Russian stance.
The rest of your post is first more irrelevancy and the last part is decidedly sick.
We are many here who actually care about the well being of the Ukrainians, who did everything they could to appease Putin and prevent this war.
Russia is committing war crimes everyday against Ukraine, defending that with falsehoods like you do and comparing it to sports is sick.
"favors Russia" in what the actual fu**ing sense? Are the sorts of the war going to change based on my opinion on it? As I said before, you (not me) are indeed treating a war as a football game, and you get offended by whatever criticism towards "your team", no matter what. Your fanaticism obfuscates your view of the factual reality.
I can't tell if you are saying this with a grin on your face, knowing that what you are saying is false, or if you are naive enough to believe that. I am sure you live in that part of the world that is using Ukrainians as war-meat, sending them more and more weapons while killing off any peace talk initiative. You cheer comfortably from far away their desperate attempt to regain international attention through a suicide invasion of a tiny strip of land (which won't provide them any additional negotial power), at the expense of their blood. "We" as third party countries at the start of the conflict had immense power over negotiations since we basically dictated Ukraine what to do (which is not surprising considering we put a TV actor/comedian as their president, after broadly supporting the overthrowing of their democratically elected government), and WE chose to NOT negotiate no matter what. It's unarguable that Russia has the ultimate fault on the war and in the end they should be held accountable for it, but this
is uttermost garbage. You made Ukraine support your personality and now can only mentally accept a total victory over Russia (which is in no way possible), and you are totally willing to sacrifice as many Ukrainians as it takes for this little inner victory of yours. This is sick.
I'm not even going to go over this. You correctly stated that in a generic way, as you couldn't even tell what you meant with this sentence. So while I wait for you to make some light on this amazing no-point you think you made I will just tell you that I am sure the way russian-speaking minorities in the eastern part of the country were being treated appeased the russians very good.
I have no idea where your delusions come from. If Ukraine wanted to cooperate with Russia and be part of their sphere, I would have absolutely zero problem with that. What makes you think otherwise?
Ukraine wanted to become an EU member. But Russia invaded to force Ukraine under Russian control.
Even before that, Russia was already very hostile, and invaded Crimea in 2014, and ever since they've created problems for Ukraine in the eastern provinces, propagandizing against the Ukrainian government, and instigating riots.
Ukraine is fighting to get out from under Russian oppression, while Russia is attempting an outright genocide on Ukraine.
To say peace with Russia is possible now is delusional, Russia is demanding Ukraine must be controlled by Russia, and that Russia must be given major parts of Ukraine.
The Russian war against Ukraine is illegal and insane. Your retorik continues to support Russia talking points, so claiming you don't doesn't make sense. Don't mind responding, I have blocked you.
Childish behavior. But I understand, it is hard to argue any further on something you have been told being your absolute truth, especially with someone who isn't a mere "putin-shill" making idiotic claims. But I don't care, I will still answer for those who read the thread, and possibly you when you matured from this behavior.
Please read this article (from Foreign Affairs, not Sputnik), especially the part where it goes:
This basically answers to all your non-points backed by buzz-sentences that the mainstream western press printed in your brain. We had a choice, we chose to fight over peace (no, i stand corrected, our leaders did. The vast majority of people, maybe removing the UK and the baltics, would have and still would pick peace over a war at the expense of our economies and Ukranian people).
Ukraine had democratically elected a filo-russian president (the majority of ukranians voted for him), who had no interest in joining the EU. We helped overthrow that government because we did not like it. Also what "cooperation" are you talking about? Bringing our nuclear missiles under an anti-russian alliance is not really matter of economic cooperation.
I am glad to know genocide is a word that can be used so loosely when it comes to throwing it at what you perceive is your enemy. Putin did the same when addressing the repression of the donbas indipendence movements in eastern ukraine. You and him go hand in hand when it comes to using words properly.