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It will be difficult to get this past the judge, because the First Amendment generally protects speech, even lies. Specifically inciting violence is not protected, but is this speech vague enough? My gut suggests it is, but we'll see what the courts think.
If the courts OK the charges, there's a passing chance that a jury could convict, because the effects are so clear and shocking. It's easy to make a solid case.
Wouldn't it be a slander case? As they are willfulling repeating lies, while showing that they know it's not true (JD saying they have to fabricate stories to get the media to listen)
Unfortunately, time and time again the US Courts have found that Stochastic Terrorism is not illegal.
However, Trump has not done that, Trump has called them a violent existential threat, which seems like a more direct form of terrorism to me.
That's a civil matter, not a criminal one.
I'll be honest, I'm not versed in US laws. It's called a citizen criminal case, isn't that the same as civil? Or is that just unlucky phrasing for the uninformed like myself?
Criminal and civil courts are separate and have different rules. Civil is for something like if your landlord rips you off, a contract isn't honored, or someone slanders you.
Criminal is like murder, fraud, etc. Not all criminal stuff is as serious as murder, but the burden of proof is higher and the penalties can be more severe (like jail time or even execution).
I think it has been clear that Trump and Vance want people to take up arms and attack the Haitians.
He said this during a debate on national television: