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[–] superkret@feddit.org 97 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

More like:
"IT people when software people talk about their requirements"

No, we won't whitelist your entire program folder in Endpoint Protection.

[–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep, unrealistic expectations.

Or "you need a 12th gen i7 to run this thing"... the thing is a glorified Avidemux.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Christ, if you could see the abysmal efficiency of business tier SQL code being churned out in the Lowest Bidder mines overseas...

Using a few terrabytes of memory and a stack of processors as high as my knee so they can recreate Excel in a badly rendered .aspx page built in 2003.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We have a table with literally three columns. One is an id, another a filename and a third a path. Guess which one was picked as the primary key?

Never seen something so stupid in 28 years of computing. Including my studies.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Well, you don't want to waste space by adding the same file path twice

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No, we can't get gigabit fiber everywhere. No, I don't care if your program needs it. Yes, the laws of physics are laws for a reason. Write more robust code.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Write more robust code.

Sure, I could read a book about best practices and Big O...but...What if we just table the idea for a few iterations of Moore's Law instead?

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

and Big O

It's asymptotic. Slower O doesn't mean faster program.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

wat.

When I say Big O, I'm talking about the slick jazzy anime about rejecting true love and living with heartbreak because we believe a lie about our own superiority. This is always true, no matter what the discussion context. If I happen to say anything remotely relevant to mathematical Big O, that is just a deeply weird coincidence.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Oh! You meant Moore's Law is asymptotic!?

Yes! That is key to the joke I was making.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Gigabit fiber? You're in some posh spot but needs to downgrade for some reason, right?

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 14 points 10 months ago

As a software person i have to protest at being called out like this. It's the fucking weekend man...stop picking on me for just one damn day.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Ouch yeah that windows endpoint stuff is really rattling though. I get you just can't whitelist some folder without compromising security, but when the "eNdPoInt pRoTeCtIon" just removes dlls and exes you are compiling (and makes your PC crawl) you really hate that shit.

Right click? 40 seconds plz (maybe any of the possible contextual right clicks might be on a virus so lets just check them all once again).

At home I have an old linux pc, and it blows those corpo super pcs out the window.

Rant off :-D

Ah yeah, IT people are chill, always be cool with them is also a good idea, not their fault all this crap exists.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Hahaha! We've an "architect" who insists he needs to be the owner on the gitlab. My colleague has been telling him to fuck off for the entire week. It reached the point that fool actually complained to our common boss... The guy is so used to working as a start-up and has no fucking clue about proper procedures. It's terrifying that he could be in charge of anything, really.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I started getting messages every week from a carbon black scan blocking access to some npm's package.json.

IT just white listed files named package.json.

[–] Mountaineer@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In a rapidly churning startup phase, where new releases can and do come out constantly to meet production requirements, this one size fits all mentality is impractical.

If you refuse to whitelist the deployment directory, you will be taking 2am calls to whitelist the emergency releases.

No it can't wait until Monday at 9am, no there will not be a staged roll out and multiple rounds of testing.

I am more than willing to have a chat; you, me and the CEO.

[–] scops@reddthat.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No it can't wait until Monday at 9am, no there will not be a staged roll out and multiple rounds of testing.

I hope you're doing internal product development. Otherwise, name and shame so I can stay the hell away from your product. This is a post-Crowdstrike world.

[–] Mountaineer@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It IS bespoke internal development, not for deployment outside of the facility.
The computers running the software exist only to run this software and have no business talking to the internet at all.
IT is provided by an external third party vendor who operate on an inflexible "best practices dogma".

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like you’re stuck in a worst practices mindset.

Sign your damn releases and have the whitelisting done by cert.

[–] Mountaineer@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago

Sounds like you’re stuck in a worst practices mindset.

Worst/Pragmatic.
If I get a timeline for a feature request, then everything can be scheduled, tested, whitelisted, delivered at a reasonable time.
That's the rarer event - normally it's more like "the scale head has died and a technician is on the way to replace it" and whilst I modify the program in question to handle this new input, hundreds of staff are standing around and delivery quotas won't be met.
Is my position arrogant? This is the job.

Sign your damn releases and have the whitelisting done by cert.

I'll see if this is possible at the site in question, thank you.