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[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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App developers think that’s a bogus argument. Mr. Bier told me that data he had seen from start-ups he advised suggested that contact sharing had dropped significantly since the iOS 18 changes went into effect, and that for some apps, the number of users sharing 10 or fewer contacts had increased as much as 25 percent.

aww, does the widdle app's business model collapse completely once it can't harvest data? how sad

this reinforces a suspicion that I've had for a while: the only reason most people put up with any of this shit is because it's an all or nothing choice and they don't know the full impact (because it's intentionally obscured). the moment you give them an overt choice that makes them think about it, turns out most are actually not fine with the state of affairs

[-] fleg@chaos.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

@froztbyte @jwz Not the biggest Apple fan, but you got to give them credit: with privacy changes in their OSs, they regularly expose all the predatory practices lots of social media companies are running on.

[-] bullspit@mastodon.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

@fleg @froztbyte @jwz There's also the possibility that Apple is doing this for themselves, for example, I bet iMessage still has access to all contacts?

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago

That has been Apple's model for a long time. Privacy restrictions for thee in my walled garden, but I am the benevolent overlord that sees all.

Still, in the current system Apple is the only thing holding back the floodgates? If there was no Apple in the committee to tell Google to go fuck themselves on their insane browser proposals we'd all be stuck in the all-encompassing Google walled garden. It's better for us to have two monarchs battling it out than one insane absolutist.

I have no idea what could be done to break this walled bullshit altogether, though, much less what any of us individually could do. Like a completely open-source (both software and hardware) smartphone that is actually usable and multiple bank robberies to finance marketing and sales for it?

[-] fleg@chaos.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

@bullspit @froztbyte @jwz Well, it‘s the „SMS“-app on iOS, so it should have access to the contacts?
I believe they made their bet on privacy (since competing on features, UX and especially price is a loosing game).

[-] bullspit@mastodon.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

@fleg @froztbyte @jwz Yes, the "Only" allowable SMS app which also happens to replace SMS with rich and secure instant messaging, as long as you own an Apple device.
I believe Apple play the Privacy card as it's their best excuse to reduce intraoperatively and maintain their lockin/walled garden under the disguise of "we care about your privacy" (and don't want to compete on features, UX an especially price)

[-] cstross@wandering.shop 6 points 2 weeks ago

@bullspit @fleg @froztbyte @jwz That's not the only reason: Apple is still very largely a hardware manufacturer, and given that Android is a freebie *from an advertising company that wants to harvest everyone's personal data* it was an easy way for Apple to differentiate themselves from the rest of the smartphone duopoly.

[-] fleg@chaos.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

@bullspit @froztbyte @jwz Agreed. Let’s see what the EU will do about that.

[-] resuna@ohai.social 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

@froztbyte @blakestacey

There are so many features of modern applications and platforms that I have to wonder why anybody would have thought it was a good idea, this is just one of them. Sharing your contacts shouldn't even be an option. As somebody else in this thread put it, it's not your data.

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago

Did Apple Just Kill Social Apps?

I doubt it, unfortunately.

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

sickos yes energy if true, sigh

[-] otolithe@mastodon.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

@froztbyte exactly. I resisted for years using WhatsApp because it wouldn’t even run without full access to your address book (this has now changed). I mean, I have client contacts on my phone, I (and they) don’t want to share them with a random social network that will probably resell them. Also a dodgy legal situation, esp. re GDPR: those people in your address book didn’t give you permission to share their contacts with a 3rd party company.

[-] nblr@chaos.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

@froztbyte @blakestacey
Let me play world's saddest song...

[-] tek@freeradical.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

@froztbyte I’m so unsympathetic to that notion.

Also, literally zero of my friends here came via my phone’s contacts.

[-] suldrew@xoxo.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago
[-] rooneel@mastodon.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

@froztbyte @blakestacey I really need to get on the apple ecosystem

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