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I'm not saying that that wouldn't work, but that seems like an excessively-complicated bit of lawyering.
If the goal is to provide NATO guarantees for part of Ukraine's territory, but not to provide guarantees for another part of it, to counter Russia playing the "as long as I control part of your territory, you can't join NATO" bit, the only thing that produces the guarantee is what's on the paper of the NATO Treaty.
That treaty text is not written in stone. As long as all the members -- and this assumes that we can avoid excessive shennanigans of the sort that Hungary and Turkey did around Sweden and Finland joining -- are okay with it, the treaty text can be revised to say whatever. Yeah, you need unanimity for any such revision, but you need unanimity anyway to add a member, so the bar is no different from having Ukraine join in any other way.
NATO Treaty Article 6 defines the scope of Article 5 coverage.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm
In the original treaty, the bit about Turkey -- much of Turkey's territory is outside Europe -- was not present. When Turkey joined, we did a small revision to extend NATO coverage -- which originally did not cover territory outside of the Mediterranean, North Atlantic, Europe, and North America at all. Even today, the treaty does not guarantee against attacks on European territories like New Caledonia or American territories like Hawaii.
Honestly, I think that there may be a very legitimate argument that given that Romania and Bulgaria joined -- and this becomes even more-significant with a Ukrainian membership -- that the scope of Article 6 should be extended to the Black Sea, as we did with Turkey when Turkey joined. Otherwise, it's possible for Russia to perform a blockade on NATO Black Sea powers and sink their warships without them being able to avail themselves of NATO Article 5 protection.
Broadly speaking you aren't wrong but ATM russian navy is unable to blockade even the civilian shipping of a country that has no navy. There is probably no need to resolve this issue now, especially as the Black sea countries are bound by the previous treaties on Black Sea like the Montreux convention. Moscow might be more amenable to changes of these treaties if NATO doesn't let them win in Ukraine.