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Also outs your report publicly, nice !
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this post was submitted on 07 Oct 2024
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Rules
- Post only about bans or other sanctions from mod(s).
- Provide the cause of the sanction (e.g. the text of the comment).
- Provide the reason given by the mods for the sanction.
- Don't use private communications to prove your point. We can't verify them and they can be faked easily.
- Don't deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
- Don't harass mods or brigade comms. Don't word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
- You can post about power trippin' in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.
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In my experience, mods in general have gotten extremely bad. Lemmy, reddit, basically all social media is being moderated without the least amount of professionality, standard or competency.
That's because professionality, standard and competency take time to foster and cost a lot to maintain.
And usually get paid nothing.
unfortunately so :/
True.
Are we supposed to be elite professionals on our salaries of $0.00?
Yes. If you can't be professionell and have standards, don't do it.
Then YOU should do it! They provide a free service that you use, yeah some mods suck ass, or most whatever, but they have to ACTUALLY monitor some times a bunch of instances. Idk if its still an issue but imagine all the child porn and other SUPER hateful shit that has to be deleted with haste.
I dont mind squid, yeah he kinda seems like a dick some times, but we benefit from them being constantly online. So yeah they might have been a dick, whats the next move? Try to remove them where some other dickwad will just take their place, could be better but for mods its always going to be worse when a new mod gets all power tripping on people.
You dare make demands of me? Banned!
The good thing is that on the fediverse, you can improve this situation. Either go to an instance that keeps a watchful eye on power tripping mods and ensure mods are fair, or start your own instance to become that.
you'll still get filtered by those mods on other instances and the amount of visibility your comment has will go down. lemmy has already gotten fragmentation problems like this for similar reasons IMO
But if those mods are bad and your mods are good, then people will over time go to your instance instead. You can't control visibility of your stuff on another instance. It wouldn't be decentralized if you could. Other instances and users can always choose to block you or whatever.
What you call "fragmentation" is really just decentralization and it's the whole point of the fediverse.
what instance? never heard of it.
The instance that I mentioned in my first comment, the one with a watchful eye on moderators. It is not a concrete instance, I am talking about an example.
there's no feedback mechanism that will result in the promotion of instances with better moderation
the federation system is inherently unstable - there's a positive feedback loop where the instance with the most users attracts the most new users. new users have no to way to gauge the quality of moderation of an instance, and neither do disgruntled current users. additionally, members of smaller instances are less visible, which is an incentive to join a larger instance.
"what instance?" is a rhetorical question, and the only possible answer is "never heard of it." because there is no means by which a user could have become aware of other instances, regardless of the quality of those other instance's moderation
Threads like this usually get quite viral
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
I think that's very narrow-minded. There definitely is a feedback mechanism, and it's called word of mouth. Same feedback mechanism used for lots of things. If you don't like your instance and you hear of a better one, you can switch. You could even imagine users writing reviews for their instances some place so people have an idea of where to go, although such a review aggregator does not exist right now to my knowledge.
New users can gauge based on what they see, but ultimately it doesn't matter much. New users should just pick any instance that looks okay to them and they can always switch later if they feel they discover a better choice. Disgruntled current users can switch to a better instance or create their own. If you ask me, there is definitely a feedback mechanism in that sense.
It is true that "big bad" instances may be more visible than "small good" instances, but I think that is only a temporary thing that will get better with time. Good places will keep their users while bad places will slowly lose them to good places, but that doesn't happen instantaneously.
When was the last time you went with a recommendation made by "word of mouth" instead of Googling reviews? How easy is it to "create a new instance"? How are fragmented instances, with unpaid volunteers that are constantly being criticized meant to be a sustainable model to run ANYTHING?
These arguments just seem stupid and place more work on people who just want to see funnies. That's how Lemmy dies.
Like, all the time? I constantly hear of recommendations for all kinds of stuff in real life and here on the fediverse. Obviously that's rarely concerning fediverse instances (never in real life) but it is brought up surprisingly often. Often you'll find comments like "glad I'm on domain.example", recommending an instance.
Also who says you couldn't Google reviews for instances? Seems like a reviewing platform for instances would be useful. Not sure if it exists yet.
Certainly not something for the average user. It is not easy and takes work. But thankfully you need only very few instances compared to users and people have already made instances that are fairly well moderated, I would say.
If your instance is good, you shouldn't be constantly criticised. Or at least, there should be a core of users that enjoy your instance.
Do you have a better suggestion for how to run the fediverse?
If a person is too lazy to ever change instances and don't want to bother with that choice, and don't even care enough to have the option... Why even be here? That person should just go back to reddit. I'm sure there's still plenty of funnies to see there.
https://lemm.ee/post/41099066/14469644
Wasnt there already an instance that died because of lack of moderation?
I couldnt find the instance name, but i could find posts from people complaining about the instance and it being defederated from lemmy.world
if defederation from the largest instance is equivalent to death for a smaller instance, then the moderators of that largest instance are in a unique position of responsibility and power and should be held to a higher standard
By death, i meant that it doesnt exist anymore
Its not just the defederation of lemmy.world, its the only post i could find
I remember seeing that more instances were defederating when it was happening
Someone doesn't remember the times of apeshit insane IRC and forum mods
To me, it seems no one qualified wants to do it. It’s annoying, unpaid work.
Honestly I think they're worse on Lemmy then they were on Reddit