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the choices are genocide vs worse genocide. the choices suck, but they also shouldn't be hard
Nah. I choose no genocide. Wtf is wrong with you.
That isn't on the ballot, you don't understand first past the post do you?
I don't know about you, but I have candidates on my ballot who are opposed to the genocide
You don't, because they have literally no chance of winning, you have the illusion of choice, and voting for them is a vote for maga genocide, you'd have to be very ignorant to not see that
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-election-green-party-some-nader-supporters-seem-shaken-not-stirred-result.html
Don't make the same mistake
See that's the thing, most states don't. To the point where it is literally mathematically impossible for anyone besides Harris or Trump to win 270 EC votes.
One more thing that I'm sure has already been explained to you as nauseum.
Are you saying you don't understand basic arithmetic?
That's not something you vote for, for that you need to take to the streets. But if you can't even be bothered to go that the 10 minutes to prevent the 'worse genocide' candidate taking power, I doubt you'll do that.
You don't need to be enthusiastic about Harris, she'll still support Israel. But Trump literally told Israel to 'finish the job'. Don't pretend they're the same.
lol. Don't make such absurd assumptions. I've been Palestine to work for peace there. But, unlike you, I cast my vote to align with my values, activism, and work.
If this is in any way true, then you need to know that you are doing extensive damage to the future of the Palestinian people by convincing people to vote for anyone other than Harris (or to not vote at all).
I'm certain you know this, and it's been explained to you over and over and over (which is why I'm skeptical about your motives), so I'm not going to spell it out for you again.
But those people you allegedly worked with in Palestine will be dead in less than 6 months if Donald Trump wins.
In spite of all your whinging about "moral high ground," the practical, real life, reality when the dust settles, would be that you played a direct (and not inconsequential) role in their murders. No abstraction needed.
So if (when) you refuse to accept this reality, I have to assume that nothing you say is in good faith, and that what I just described is the outcome that you desire.
That's great, I'm sure you're doing important work! But on the ballot in November there are three options:
Not voting helps boost republicans, low turnout always has. With the broken FPTP system, voting third party is equivalent to not voting.
The Palestinian cause will unfortunately not be won on the ballot anytime soon. I don't know about you, but for me, the moral satisfaction of not having voted for the Dems is not worth throwing immigrants, gay and trans people, reproductive rights, muslims and other marginalized groups under the bus. And with Project 2025 they've made it abundantly clear what's at stake.
I'm no US citizen, but if I was, I'd vote for Harris in a heartbeat. I'd curse the Dems name for the genocide they're enabling while doing so. But the lives of queer people and immigrants are more important than my moral satisfaction.
As it stands, I'll continue going to protests, supporting boycotts and as much as I can for Palestine over here, before I'll vote for a German party next year that won't free Palestine either. My government is sadly just as guilty as yours, and just like you I don't have a viable party with a strong anti-genocide stance. But I'll not cynically vacate the stage for fascists.
This is misinformation. There are candidates on the ballot that are opposed to the genocide.
Also, you literally have a Parliament in Germany and you're still choosing to fuck over the Palestinians?
To your edit, what would you have me do? I'm asking honestly. At the moment, I'm voting for the most left wing party on the ballot, but even they are lukewarm when it comes to Palestine. There is no party with a pro Palestine stance.
For the EU election there was, and I've voted for them. I hate electoralism as much as the next gal, but what can we do as individuals?
Even die partie is down with genocide? Pirate party? Greens? Labour?
Idk, I'm not German, but I feel like there's gotta be at least one party that represents anti-zionist Jews, especially with all the antisemitism going on there now
We have like 6 parties in the US opposed to funding the genocide. And we don't even have a Parliament.
Pirate party doesn't stand in federal elections, Greens are down with genocide, I don't know what you mean with Labour, but the SPD (social democrats) currently approved more weapons for Israel the day after they fired on UN blue helmets.
There is the Left party, whose general stance is peace and disarmament, but even they won't condemn Israel.
It's not great.
And they will get less than a percent of votes and be forgotten. I don't like it either.
Third party candidates are unfortunately not an option, and you know they aren’t. You and people like you are either arguing in bad faith, or you’re too disconnected with reality to know that you’re arguing in bad faith. By throwing your vote away with a third party, you are playing directly into the Republican’s playbook.
Congrats, you’re Trump’s tool.
ok, how?
Boycott. Divestment. Sanctions.
yes, obviously, but how does not voting for Harris accomplish that?
Your abstinence has high potentially to lead to election of the person who will objectively make the genocide worse, immediately undermining any moral stance you think you're making.
Depends on where they live tbh.