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I've always preferred to skip "The Cage" and considered "The Menagerie" the definitive view of Pike's enterprise. It may appear to be a subtle distinction, but I think viewed through this lens the answer to your question becomes a much stronger "Yes".
Could you elaborate?
"The Cage" shows us a brief glimpse at a gruff, no-nonsense Pike who appears closed off if not straight-up unfriendly. "The Menagerie" shows us the same person but presented through the framing of not only a very well respected starfleet captain, but someone Spock would personally risk his entire career for. In this context TOS Pike's rough edges get considerably softened, which brings what we see of the character much more in line with what we've come to expect in SNW.
"The Cage" also technically isn't part of continuity while "The Menagerie" definitely is. Also helps to smooth out some other stuff, like Pike making sexist comments in "The Cage"; that isn't part of "The Menagerie" so it didn't happen in continuity.
Didn't they literally use clips from "The Cage" in a previously on in Discovery? I'd say that cononised it.