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[-] JTode@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remain atheist at my deepest heart, but I understand after many years of wasting my time being wrong that anything which doesn't exist, also doesn't deserve any time wasted thinking about its finer details. In its own way, this deep dive into biblical archivism is just the Atheist's version of The Courtier's Reply.

Any honest Atheist, when pressed hard, has to concede the final thousandths of an inch to uncertainty and give the highest and strongest ground to the Agnostics, and that's really the one that allows for the most freedom. I use chemicals, some from my doctor and some from the store, to boost my mood and my productivity. Some people use Jesus or Allah or Idontfuckingcarereally, as long as they don't try to take my weed or my Vyvanse.

edit: we all do what we do to get by. If you're not harming anyone with your drug of choice, I say you should have as much of it you can handle without burning out.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Agnosticism is not the halfway point between atheism and theism. It is a question of knowledge, not belief.

[-] JTode@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Did I say halfway point? I think I specifically said something more resembling the tiny domains of delta that come into play as you endlessly approach the speed of light but never reach it. One can endlessly approach Atheism, but until you can somehow use logic to prove a negative, in the end, you are the one who is trafficking in false knowledge. If you were so sure - if you were as sure as I am that no deities exist - you wouldn't be wasting your time in this way, and particularly not resorting to deliberate mischaracterizations of what I said.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Atheism is about belief not about knowledge. You can identify as an Agnostic Atheist. Someone who doesn't believe in a god but knows it can't be demonstrated one way or another. I for example do that. You are mixing up the assertion of knowledge with the assertion of belief.

[-] JTode@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I identify as James from Arnes (Not James Arness, I have no gun).

I have a number of other "identities" that are applied to me due to my particular set of circumstances, but I'm James.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] JTode@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It is true, as a white man in North America, I have the luxury of pretending I exist independently of all the labels. It's a delusion of course; all politics are identity politics. That being said, to purposely put one on yourself as a conscious choice seems like putting the yoke on yourself.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Are you my new best friend?

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, and also: one need not be a 'believer' to perceive, comprehend, and accept the utility functions that religious behaviors have accommodated (albeit inefficiently and with a significant amount of superfluous baggage) throughout history and within the human psyche.

As a tribal species, we function better when we have some kind of overarching organizational structure to inform individuals of their own (psychological and social) position relative to the community to which they belong, so as to better focus individual efforts toward cooperative goals. It's the heart of skill specialization that enabled us to become more than generalist hunter-gatherers, after all! Some kinds of cult-shaped collective gestalt entities will always emerge whenever the constituent humans of a community begin to specialize their expertise.

One of the elements that separate us from our ancestors is that we have an opportunity to synthesize an organizing system that features fewer of the maladaptive, exploitative, abusive traits of naturally arising cult entities.

(and by 'cult' I don't just mean religious - I also mean political, commercial, and recreational memetic entities too! Even fandoms are an example of this phenomenon!)

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Just like your capacity for reading comprehension.

this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2023
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