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Considering last night's results, I don't expect NATO to be credible 4 years from now
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Uhhhh no... Just no... Most Palestinian Americans don't want genicide to go the other way... And the people living in Palestinian don't have the capability to even have running water, electricity, airforce or navy let alone the capability to do a genicide so just no. Pro Isreal / pro genicide people were going to vote for Trump regardless... How about a no genicide party? Is that too much to ask?
Difference between you and rational people is we are trying to get the best and not just the least worst people. I voted blue but it's obvious change is needed.
I'm not American
Don't get me wrong, Hamas are the worst of the "other" side but that's why we would fight them as well if the roles were reversed. But I won't want to achieve that goal by killing 40k innocent people. I'd be just as upset and angry. It's asking for no genicide regardless of who's the perpetrator or whos the victims?!
And also your argument is the equivalent to saying those being surprised by a stronger power can only fight back by conviction means? Or that the Palestinian people having negative views towards religious fundamentalist who are literally killing and starving their friends and family, forfeit their lives for said negative views? For example if you asked jews people in concentration camps during WWII if they had negative views towards German people, and taking their answer as a determining factor on if they live or die... Nazi Germany also called jews freedom fighters in occupied Poland terrorist. And some of those freedom fighters committed horrific crimes against German civilians... Was Nat Turner a freedom fighter or terrorist? Were native American raids on settlements built on their ancestors land righteous or terrorism?
Hamas wasn't created in a vaccum.
Despite the high number of civilian casualties, Israel is actually doing a better job at it that the US has with their skirmishes in the middle east. It's not like they're not trying to minimize the civilian casualties, Hamas just makes it really hard by using their population as human shields.
Also, if you look at the videos of Israeli civilian hostages dragged thru the streets of Gaza after the october 7 invasion, there's a good number of palestinian civilians cheering. Would the Israeli population be doing the same thing were IDF to drag raped Palestinian women thru the streets of Israel? I doubt it.
Hamas is a death cult. There's no negotiating with them. The only solution is their complete destruction and showing the world that these views will not be tolerated. It's the average muslim who suffers the most because of these religious extremists.
Me: Let's stop all genicide and oppression everywhere by whom ever.
You: ummm actually if we didn't genicide them, they'd genicide us...
Me: The fuck?!
You: and America's modern genicides and atrocities were much worse...
Me: The fuck is wrong with you!
Somehow every attempt to reason with people like you ends up to you getting pissed and ending the discussion.
I'm interested in real life solutions. Not fantasies. You can advocate for 'stopping genocide and oppression everywhere' all you want. Religious extremists like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and ISIS couldn't care less about your wishes. Death for Isreal and death for America is what they want and they'll happily tell you this.
Just come out and say your pro genicide man. Stop hiding behind Hamas as the reason for the Palestinian peoples current situation. Like I don't even have to look far within Israeli government to find leaders openly saying, "Ya we are going to kill or expelle every Palestinian."
Just come out and day it. You think every Arab and Muslim is a religious extremist and are terrorists. Just stop hiding behind the idea that the millions of people mostly kids and women in Palestine are acceptable casualties as long as it's them and not us. Why aren't we offering asylum to all none Hamas extremist in Palestine so we can protect them as well? Just say you are pro genicide dude.
I feel bad for the Palestinians in Gaza of course. Not for their relatives in america who just helped put a fascist in power who will kill their relatives.
Anyone who didnt vote or voted for Stein is deserving of everything that will happen to them I hope their family in Palestine will cut them off because they have signed their life away.
The family members elected someone who wants every last palestinian to die. Someone who wants to escalate the conflict even more. Instead of choosing a person who is open to be talked to.
Every non voter and Trump voter has the blood of palestinians on their hands
Ok since you seem to be slow I will say it again. It does not matter what democrats did. If the choice is between a fascist candidate and a non fascist candidate you pick the non fascist or you are reaponsible for the fascism.
You are slower than I thought. BOTH CANDIDATES FUND THE GENOCIDE. Only one of them calls for measurement in the genocide. And the other side wants to escalate it, cause more genocides and destroy democracy.
I critiqued Biden then. But if both choices are bad for Palestine but one of them even praises the genocidal maniacs and the same person wants to establisj fascism and will prevent any free elections to ever happen again in the country you will either vote for the other party or you are responsible for the destruction of democracy and all deaths that will happen
And what's your solution to those with legitimate hangups? Sit behind a keyboard and call them idiots? There was no downside to being 100% anti genicide. There is no downside to be for universal health care. There's no downside to making education 100% free. There's no downside to fighting for income redistribution.
What's your solution to these real fucking problems? Because the democrats never truly tried any of these or even advocated for them. It's been this way since the new deal. A slow decay to Jim crow, women's suffrage, and xenophobia. We need new tactics because what you and the Democrat leadership is saying and doing isn't fucking working!
There is no solution. Idiots will stay idiots. They obviously dont give af about democracy or the lifes of anyone else but themselves.
As long as these idiots are alive they will keep handing the reigns to fascists who do exactly what the idiots punish the dems for.
All we can hope for is that american burns down quickly without too much damage to anyone else. So this time maybe something decent can be built on the remains.
Lol okay then way are voting. Why are you commenting? Rather than being proactive with a problem solving mindset you are just going to continue to do things that obviously don't work? This isn't some unavailable catastrophic outcome. This happened because people prefer to rip each other down than trying to lift each other up. If you aren't fighting for marginalized people everywhere, why do you get mad when they respond with apathy or anger when you demand they support your ideals? Everyone is copable in this presidential outcome. No one group or person is 100% to blame. My 2020 vote for Biden has blood on it and that doesn't sit well with me. I make up for it by doing more than just voting and insulting people on the internet. That's how you gain votes. Not whatever you are doing. The DNC could have let Palestinian Americans speak, but they didn't. They could have had a more left platform, but they didn't. This centrists agenda has a 33% success rate over the past three elections and when democracy is at stake can you really be calus to your base? I have history and facts on my side.
What's the definition of insanity?
Nothing is going to work to get people who fell for fascism back. These marginalized groups are the ones who suffer the most under Trumps fascism but doing what they did they deserve it. They obviously want it since they didnt mind handing the country to Trump.
The trump voters, non voters and third party voters are 100% to blame.
The democrats could be less right wing, sure. I wish they were. But it wouldnt have changed anything. Fascists and their enablers will not change. They want to take away peoples and their own freedoms.
Your way of thinking is like an abusive husband's mindset.
lol Being against fascists and their enablers is abuse for you? That tells me all I need to know about you
Luckily I am not american. So I didnt vote. However voting for a fascist will screw you as well as any other american