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Harris' Messaging problem
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this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2024
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I understand the poster may be very emotional because of the election. Yet, This strikes me as incredibly reductive.
I think she lost because, she represents the continuation of the current administration. People want to break from the status quo, even if that means harming society to do it.
The dems need a left wing populist, asap.
Only right wing socialists are electable. Billions of dollars in propaganda told me so.
I keep hearing this 'status quo' excuse but no one ever explains what the fuck that's supposed to even mean.
Unpopular, uncharismatic, neoliberal establishment candidates that are pushed down the throat of democratic party voters (Hillary, Biden, Kamala)
I have no idea what people mean by neoliberalism, since it seems to be different every time, but there are an awful lot of article from actual experts, saying the opposite. As a simplification, neoliberalism is associated with reduced regulation of businesses at the expense of people, yet so many of Biden policies have been strengthening the role if actual people for the first time in decades. Do you have any idea how many decades it’s been since a president gave real support to unions?
I've had this argument with self described progressives several times. They do not understand what Neoliberalism is, even when linked 200 level ideologies study material about it. They want it to mean "Secretly the worst conservative". It's an outgrowth of the idea that both parties are the same. As such they must lump liberals in with actual Neoliberals.
Personally I see it as politicians that pay lip service to social causes while being corporate capitalist shills. Amazon, Google and other corporations are all bigger than ever, fleecing the employees and gouging the customers while holding a monopoly on essential services.
Sorry im worked up, but being sincere for a second, was there an attempt by Biden to break up these megacorp? And to stop price gouging? And increase pay to prioritize workers instead of share holder value?
I still believe that democrats are better for the workers than Republicans. And Trump will absolutely wreck the economy. But the democratic party has only done the bare fucking minimum
Biden's administration got an anti-mononopoly ruling against Google and had no plans to stop there.
I also wish they acted more quickly, more assertively instead of always playing centrist, however real change can be slow and gradual. I do believe it’s the nature of the beast, not just cautiousness.
For example, bringing back unions may be one of the most important ways to restore a healthy worker class, but they don’t just appear. Biden gave more support for unions than any president I’ve seen. It’s especially notable that he was criticized for tempering efforts to bring back manufacturing, to build an electronics supply chain, a renewable energy supply chain, with union requirements. They would take time and need continued nurturing but could have started faster without the union commitment. In this vision, as that manufacturing rose over the years, unions would rise with it, and help rebuild a healthy working class. But you can see how this would take years. It will never be sudden improvement, exciting turnaround, but if we were able to build strong unions, it will not just grow better conditions for most of us, but reinforce that, strengthen that, keep it alive over the inevitable regressive backlash.
The exact same DNC also pushed Obama down our throats who had the same policies as all those canidates, and that turned out great
Great? Wasn't it that Obamas ambivalence towards lower offices and rise of identity politics that ushered an era of Republican obstructionists and things barely got passed, if at all?
Bernie would've mopped the floor with Trump. But instead we got the wife of a pervert who has the charisma of a hangnail, and who on top of that, actively promoted Trump in Republican primaries because she thought he'd be an easy candidate to beat.
Ignoring, gaslighting, belittling, and berating the electoral base is not how you gather support
Newt Gingrich ushered in the era of Republican obstructionism in the 80s-90s
Obama vowed to transform health care and he did. Biden Harris did not have any policy aspirations at all.
This should teach the DNC that if you run on even a modest progressive policy that even the republicans want, you will win. And if you dont, you will lose. You dont even need to stop calling the progressives names, you just need to make peoples lives better and more Just.
This just isn't true at all
Process reality
status quo means the current state of things
I'm aware of the phrase's meaning. It's not being used this way from what I can tell.
Seems to me that conservative policy is the status quo. Almost by definition, 'conserving' the way things are, or what they believe it is. As a general trend, the us has leaned much more conservative. This is the status quo.
Changing, progressive policy is literally antithetical to the status quo. A woman in office is not the current state. So why do people say that the dem candidate is the status quo if that makes no sense?
There’s definitely an element of misinformation here. Too many people are rebelling against a “status quo” that never existed
They're talking about the administration's policies, not the Zeitgeist of Americans.
Liberals would much rather turn to fascism than let a leftist win
Uh no. You don't just give up and blow up the country. Even if he gets to full authoritarian you'd need the peaceful structures of organization to have any chance at doing more than dying at 3 in the morning. It's not sexy to Americans but the answer is the same as always, organize, protest, slow stuff down in critical work areas, and go further only if it's absolutely required. Until he actually does anything you don't even have a moral high ground, you're just going to get called a terrorist, and rightly so.
Literally all you post is political rage-bait. How is the weather in Russia these days comrade?
This kind of shit is exactly what Russia wants. Divide the US, push violence, destabilize the country. We have paths forward that do not involve violence. Now is the time to push for ranked choice voting to allow 3rd party candidates a real chance. The DNC has been out of touch for years, and ranked choice voting will allow us to side step them and choose a candidate with a real chance.
Start small and local. Connect with your local representatives. Have a conversation about ranked choice voting. Come up with a plan that we can achieve together to make this a reality.
Every time I hear about this ranked choice voting wish:
It's a good idea but it's so frought with controversy. I've yet to see the momentum needed to force it through. Like, show me you can orginiaze a national, or even just statewide, strike and I'll start believing.
The fact that we have this tool that no one will even look at is so discouraging. Show these Trumpers what a failed economy looks like when the people on rhe raw side of the deal throw their hands up.
That's exactly why we need to start small and local, grass roots.
I think I've suggested that recently. Yeah. I mean. I'd ditch the DNC if you went that route. They will hold you back.
You don't get it. The Russians are getting what they want because the DNC has done nothing to stop it. You can keep fighting uphill and I'll continue to lend my vote but you get nothing else. Sorry.
If you want my suggestion don't put your political capital into the DNC. They dont know how to spend it. Form a new party and make them suffer. Tea partiers did it and reshaped the GOP. You won't have the funding of right wing billionaires at first but if you get enough momentum they will be pouring in to try and shape things.
It's all for naught though, once you start getting cheated out of every victory you fight for you'll start sharpening the knife too.
I finally feel seen!
A populist isn't gonna save you from the toxicity of your society and the stupidity of your people. You guys deserve what you get