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Vote Harris... Wait. Damnit.
Too late bud
Israel's extermination campaign is already underway with full support from the Democrats. Harris wouldn't have saved the Palestinians.
Don't tell the liberals that. If you spook them now, they might start "reaching across the aisle" today instead of next week.
Kid, you should try reading things by actual, paid journalists, who aren't just contributors to free online "news" sources.
Or good books.
You should read a few good books as well. Might I suggest:
On Palestine by Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, and Frank Barat
The Message by Ta-Nehisi Coates
A Dying Colonialism by Frantz Fanon
Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman
Actual journalists like Mehdi Hasan at Zeteo and Amy Goodman at Democracy Now! are doing excellent work on this issue.
Manufacturing consent is one of my favourites!
Don't tell other people to read anything when it's perfectly clear you don't know what the fuck you are gibbering about.
I'm not a kid and I'm not wrong in saying the genocide is currently underway with full support of the Biden administration and the overall Democratic party.
Both claims are debatable.
Do you think things won't get worse under trump? Or do you think some 50,000 dead a year is the worst Israel can do?
The claim that Isrsel is currently performing a genocide on the Palestinians is not debatable. They have cut off the entirety of Northern Gaza and started executing everyone they see on site. They besieged the only remaining hospital there several times and imprisoned all but a couple of the staff. They are deliberately trying to starve the population and even went so far as banning the UNRWA, which is the only agency capable of keeping the Palestinians alive. And do you think that once they finish there they'll stop? They will continue with the rest of Gaza once they are done. They've even started attacking and demolishing homes in the West Bank as well. And they're trying to invade Lebanon as well like they have tried to in the past.
Saying things will get worse under Trump is pointless. The genocide is underway, and it's been blessed by the Biden administration as well as the Democratic party. Harris has made it clear she doesn't plan on deviating from this course. So I stand by previous statement, Harris would not have saved them. Either one as president, the Palestinians die.
That's a wildly privileged set of statements. Declaring that a bad thing id happening and it doesn't matter if it gets worse, goddamn kid.
It's privilege to say "Trust me it can get worse even as an extermination campaign is underway and other countries are being invaded".
The escalations that are coming in the next few months would have happened with Harris as well. Both political parties have made it abundantly clear that Israel can do whatever it wants. There are no red lines for them.
It's not even privilege, just wildly ignorant or childish to see something horrible and decide "yup, can't get worse than that!"
If you literally don't understand that trump and Harris will have very different red lines, you don't know enough to talk about this.
Buddy what part of the genocide of the Palestinians is already happening do you not understand? You want to sit there and say that Trump will genocide them even harder? The delusion of saying "Trust me, Harris will save the Palestinians" when she vocalized nothing but staunch support of Israel is what led the Democrats to lose all the Arab voters. The genocide of the Palestinians is already underway and Harris has made it clear she doesn't intend on stopping it.
The older you get, the more you'll realize it's okay and even a good idea to just say "I don't really know about this."
To say that Harris and trump mean the same thing for the Palestinians is outright nonsensical. Some of the Israeli ministers (notably Smotrich) have been very explicit about the fact that trump's win, among other things, makes annexation of the West Bank much more likely.
There's a lot of background that you kind of really have to be in the weeds to catch but if you've been reading Foreign Policy and others, you'd know that while the Biden administration ought to have done more, there were still some red lines (annexation, hitting Iranian oil/nuclear facilities etc.) With trump in charge, it's unclear which if any red lines still exist.
It's a humanitarian crisis but to claim that Harris and trump mean the same thing is as downright silly as you can get. Saying things that are patenly nonsensical makes you look pretty danged silly.
There's a lot I don't know true. But there's a lot I know as well. For example, I know that in Israel Netanyahu is ridiculously unpopular at the moment and is under criminal investigation. I know the only reason he's still in power is because of a group of hard-right fanatics in the Knesset like Ben Gvir. I know this group has been pushing for the complete eradication of the Palestinians for some time now, including annexing the West Bank, and they are finally seizing on the moment. I also know that they are the ones pushing for a regional war with Iran. I know that the only one in Netanyahu's war council who vocally said this war shouldn't continue was the recently fired Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and was replaced with someone who wanted to continue the war. I know that lobbying groups such as AIPAC have spent a ridiculous amount of money lobbying the American Senate and Congress to let Israel do what they want. I know that Biden has received more money from these groups than any other senator in history. I know that Harris has repeatedly said that "Israel has a right to defend itself" even as they slaughter their way through innocents. I know that Tim Walz has said that he supports Israels right to expand it's borders as they escalate the conflict with Lebanon and Iran. I know that Harris chose to campaign with war hawks like Liz Cheney in an effort to win Republican voters while ignoring a lot of Democrat voters.
You started this thread by implying that voting for Harris would have saved the Palestinians. I'm telling you that everything points to her not doing a dam thing. You want to sit there and talk about how maybe she would have talked them down from creating a regional war with Iran? Sure, go for it buddy. Maybe she would have. But don't sit there and pretend like she, or the majority of Democrats, actually cared enough to stop Israel from performing their little genocide. Or the invasion of Lebanon for that matter. If they did, they would have done so by now. They chose to stick their head in the sand and pretend it wasn't an issue. Meanwhile they literally lost all 7 of the swing states because of this attitude. The Arabs definitely made her lose Michigan, and there's a strong case to be made that they could have helped her win Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
That wouldn't have helped this situation EDIT: I voted Harris, but if you think she would have changed course away from pro genocide once elected you are insane. She has been second in command of the genocide for a year. She made very clear statements of total support for Israel. She was confronted by the left to change course and she told them to go fuck themselves.
Do you really think that Kamala Harris and Donald Trump would be equally bad on this issue? Why?
Because supporting that genocidal white supremacist colonialist project is US POLICY.
You can't get worse than the Biden Harris stance. And there is no way Donald Trump is going to be better. So yeah equally bad.
Why don't you save this comment and revisit it in a year.
This is so fucking naive and ahistoric. Read a fucking book.
I've been reading books about the region for about 20 years. Where have you been? There is no difference between the parties when it comes to that conflict. They have other differences but not about Israel Palestine. Israel is the major Middle East foothold for American empire and policy has been consistent there for 50 years. Biden/Harris are currently committing genocide there, escalating the terror there to the worst levels in the history of the conflict. It does not get worse than genocide, nothing republicans can do is worse than genocide, there are hundreds of thousands dead. Fuck Harris, Biden, and Trump for this. Don't come to a thread about what to do about ending the genocide and defend a comment that says voting for Harris (SECOND IN COMMAND OF SAID GENOCIDE) would have stopped it.
You absolutely can. You can send the US military directly in to finish the job. Or private military contractors. Or stop giving what aid is currently being sent. What doctors are currently there. It can and will get worse with direct involvement.
You want the US to lose another war?
You absolutely can get worse than Biden Harris stance. Just watch.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
Equally bad, you say?
Well, you're clearly a very bad judge.
Oh but you can haha, you really really can. It’s cute and naive that you thought it couldn’t get worse
Lol, I keep joking to people that my side is dumb enough to believe the two are equal on that and every day one of y'all proves me right.