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Far-right Israeli minister orders preparations for West Bank annexation
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For the American voters to make sure it sinks in.
But Harris was responsible of this genocide!!! Turd said he would solve the war in a day!!!1!!1!!111!one!!1
And that's actually true. He'd just let Israel complete the genocide.
The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That's the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It's still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.
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Let's be honest, I voted for Harris. But her message was essentially:
"Vote for Kamala Harris. She will enable a slow genocide. But her opponent, Donald Trump, will enable a fast genocide. She is clearly the superior choice."
Saying that Kamala would be better than Trump was objectively true. However, it was also just shit, brain-dead, zero-awareness messaging. You cannot practically run on a message of, "yes, I will enable genocide, but my opponent will enable it WORSE!"
It's just a shit, poorly thought out message. Who actually is this for? Those pro-Zionist voters won't be persuaded either way. Those who want to see the Palestinians genocided will go with Trump instead, as he'll get the job done faster. Those opposed to genocide were asked to hold their nose and vote for someone who should be on trial at the Hague, simply because she was running against someone who deserves to be on trial at the Hague even more!
It's like running a campaign saying, "yes, I have some Nazi tendencies, but my opponent is a full-on avowed Nazi. My opponent is objectively worse."
A statement can be true, while also being just complete shit in terms of campaign strategy.
"Yes, my candidate is Mussolini, but her opponent is Hitler! Clearly a vote for Mussolini is better than a vote for Hitler!"
Why would you be criticising Mussolini if you didn't secretly want Hitler to win?! I cannot possibly come up with any other explanation. You must be trying to trick us.
Harris was campaigning and bibi knew he had leverage, because the worse it got, the more ~~anti-israel~~ pro-palestine vote she'd lose. Lose-lose-lose situation for Harris, Palestine, anti-israel voters. That the left was not more strategic about this (e.g. Bernie's stance, which was strategic), I blame on great russian disinfo and agitators, not just shit intrinsic takes from the left.
Yup. And she let him play her like a fiddle. And there are like, 3 anti-Israel voters in the US. Harris lost because of anti-genocide voters, not because of anti-Israeli voters. You seem to be implying that anti-genocide = anti-Israeli.
If you believe that the only way a person can be an Israeli is if they support the massacre of innocent civilians, then you are racist anti-Semitic trash that doesn't deserve to live. If that is the case, please chain yourself to a large rock, and throw the rock in the ocean.
you really didn't get the point, did you? Anti-bibi, anti-genocide, anti-whatever-israel-is-doing. Nitpicking about words and trying to own the moral high ground instead of focusing on the only path that gave you a little leverage. But again, it is not your fault, it was mostly a successful two-pronged campaign by disinformation centrals coming from the left and the right.
Wow, I would have thought that Israel was responsible....
Take massive bribes from Israeli funders, actively fund a genocide that couldnt happen without our weapons, shut down palestinian voices in the campaign, and she supressed student free speech herself instead of supporting it.
But you're saying she was going to be better than trump in all this huh. Either she failed to message whatever your talking about, or you're talking nonsense. Theres a "trolley problem" for you.
Yes, there's a trolley problem and it seems pretty clear you picked the lane that ends up killing every single Palestinian.
I voted for Kamala, but be honest. The only difference between Kamala and Trump in terms of Palestine is that Trump supports a fast overt genocide, while Kamala supports a slow and quiet genocide. Neither of them care two shits if every last Palestinian is exterminated. Kamala just wants the genocide to be slow and quiet enough that she doesn't have to answer awkward questions about it.
Harris: "I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination"
Doesn't sound like a genocide to me, slow or otherwise.
Vague bullshit platitudes. That's all she offered.
What you quoted is indistinguishable for saying, "I want all the good things for both Israelis and Palestinians! I like good things. I don't like bad things."
Zero acknowledgement about the hard choices involved.
She says she'll do "everything in her power," but we know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she is lying.
Will she make US offensive aid contingent on a cease fire?
Will she make US defensive aid contingent on a cease fire?
Will she support US military aid contingent on Israel ending its ethnic-cleansing-by-zoning code in the West Bank?
Will she support slapping sanctions on Israeli leaders who support genocide and ethnic cleansing?
Will she agree to not interfere with the attempts to prosecute Israeli officials at the International Criminal Court?
Will she make long-term support of Israel contingent on the establishment of a two-state solution?
She cares for the Palestinians, but only if she doesn't have to life a finger for them.
Kamala is to the right of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush when it comes to actually reigning in Israeli excesses.
Again, Kamala supports a SLOW GENOCIDE. She doesn't mind genocide. She isn't willing to lift a finger to restrict it. Her only concern at all for the matter is that it might hurt her at the polls, so she opposes the kind of overt ethnic cleansing that Trump supports. Trump supports putting a line of tanks on the east side of the Gaza Strip and just driving forward until the entire Gazan population is forced into the sea. That's the kind of overt genocide Trump supports.
But in practice, Kamala is little different. I voted for Kamala, but I did so reluctantly. She says she opposes genocide, but those are meaningless words not backed by actual practice. Actions matter, words don't. And by her actions, it is clear she and Biden support genocide. They just want it done quietly.
Well, now we won't have Harris. So I guess that's moot.
Yup. You got that right.
But it doesn't matter. I'm not american and I already accepted that we're heading to what probably means the extinction of our race (i still have some hope that I'm wrong but not that much). So you know wnat? I'm just gonna sit, grab some popcorn and enjoy the ride while he fucks his country over and over while he fucks climate over and over. At least i'll go knowing that I tried to avoid it, not to accelerate it.
I'm not american, and I don't know anything about this topic. May I ask for ELI5, please?
Trump is at least as far right as Netanyahu. He supports the full destruction of Palestine and Palestinians. His election has dropped all Israeli pretense in their propaganda. They can now do what they want with impunity since Trump's administration will provide all the international cover that they need and Trump's admin will happily brag about the genocide they helped to perpetrate.
They're already doing what they want with impunity as evidenced by this being planned out, at this moment, while Joe Biden is president.
Yeah, he could at any time issue consequences while we can still impose them. Lets see what he does.
I see an angry phone call coming in someone's future. Perhaps even some coarse language like "bullshit" or "bastard" might be included if Biden really means business.
I agree, but the pretense of metering and diplomacy, no matter how fleeting, is gone.
It means Israel is using the current conflict in Gaza to expand into another Palestinian territory, the West Bank. They are already illegally occupying it. This is their move to "legitimize" the occupation.
Do you understand who is president right now?
It's more the non-voters that it needed to sink in with but it's too late for that.