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She's talking about "moderates" who are trying to blame it on defense of LGBTQ....
Because surely what the Dem party needs to do is move further to the fucking right and abandon the Dem voter base.
We can't keep electing "moderates" just because the wealthy, corporations, and foreign governments like Israel keep giving them hundreds of millions of dollars
Shit, if anything that should be a reason we don't vote for them.
This a class war going on, and the only side fighting it is the wealthy.
Unfortunately where I'm from (the self centered shithead part of NY) moving to the right is EXACTLY what they want... I've had no shortage of people tell me they only voted for Kamala because she dropped the progressive stuff and was taking on Republicans in her cabinet. Of course the propagandists have done a wonderful job this cycle associating progressives with antisemitism so that did wonders for us too....
I think we just need to accept that America is a far right country and we're the miniscule minority that wants change... I was already depressed about the result but then hearing just how many selfish bootlickers are out there made it even worse.
So your idea is to keep ignoring the third of the country who never votes because "both parties are the same"...
And you think a better strategy would be to continue to drag the Dem.party right, even tho when we try that the result is always depressing Dem turnout, Republican turnout staying the same, and Republicans winning the majority of the time?
I just don't see how that's a logically sound plan that has any chance of stopping fascism.
I don't see any way of stopping fascism in America. By some definitions we've been living in fascist America for a long time we just haven't had an authoritarian leader yet. The state uses the violence of the police force to crush leftist protest. The media enforces all belief in corporate interests depending on the media product you're consuming. Some still toss a bone on occasion by pointing out wealth disparity but always denigrate policies aimed at correcting it.
I don't want the Democrats to move right yet again, but if that's what people want then we aren't the majority. I want a party that isn't Democrats. We're not moving them from within, that hasn't worked at all.
My suggestion would be spending less time telling people it's useless to try, and more time listening to people with plans to stop fascism then.
Good thing it's fucking not then...
It's what Republicans want so that even if they lose they win.
The problem is when the DNC tries to look at what voters want, they look at polling for all voters
Which include the half of voters who will always vote R.
So if 51% of voters want a border wall, and 50% of those are always going to vote R, that's 1% of voters who could potentially be convinced to vote D who want Dems to support a border wall.
Chasing that 1% pisses off the 49% of voters who don't want a border wall, and they're literally the Dem voting base
So while you "can't see a way to stop fascism" to me and a shit ton of other Americans the solution is staring us right in the face.
Hopefully this helped you understand, if not please spend less time telling people fascism is unavoidable because that depresses turnout and makes it harder to fight fascism
And that should be even more obvious than why the Dem.party needs to stop moving right
I don't think I'm saying it's useless to try, I just separated fascism and authoritarianism (maybe being too pedantic) I'm saying "we" that want progressive policy aren't the majority opinion of Democrats and we depress ourselves when we have delusions of it being otherwise only to find election results and the literal opinions of our neighbors proving otherwise.
I still vote and hope others do, but I think we need to be more realistic about what the rest of "the party" really wants.
And I'm repeatedly telling you that you're wrong...
Progressive policy isn't just popular with the majority of Dem voters, it's more popular than not with independents and even fucking Republicans.
The problem is the DNC leadership insists on running moderates who like donations from billionaires/corporations and foreign goverments more than they like votes from Americans
You're conflating party leadership with party voters, over and over again....
And as much difficulty as I'm having explaining this, I've realized why you can't think of a path to stopping fascism.
We've barely tried. No one shows up to the primaries. The existing leadership has continuously coasted because they don't have any pressure whatsoever in the primary. I cannot even count the number of progressive candidates that lose in the primaries because the ones who show up are conservative Democrats.
If we want change for the Democratic Party, it's going to take people actually participating. We straight up have not seen that yet.
I'm Ok with that at this point. The Dem voting base is just liberal Republicans at this point. It's time for something else.
No it's not.
They're a very small but vocal amount of Dem voters.
But they're not the problem, they voted R against Obama and Obama still flipped red states in 08.
Not only are they not the voting base, the party literally doesn't need them.
The problem is those people run the freaking DNC, and are the ones that keep dragging the party right.
The problem is party leadership and the solution is changing party leadership.
Not doubling down on party leadership to further piss off the Dem voter base.
I don't fully agree with this, but I agree with enough of it that it doesn't really matter. To add to it, now is the ideal time to push for reform in party leadership, after a major loss.
I'm liberal and voted blue. I think we have gone off the deep end for trans. 100% for non hate, but I would like girls to be able to play sports without allowing former boys.
If that was a large issue you'd have a point. But it's almost never happening. There are just very very few examples of boys transitioning to girls while being on puberty blockers long enough to compete as a girl and then dominating.
It's a made up problem.
But the right won't just stop at "girls sports" they're going after adults who have never played a sport in their lives.
But even tho the trans population in it's entirety is still a small amount of people, that doesn't mean it's ok to abandon them.
Start abandoning subgroups and the larger group won't be strong enough to protect you when the fascists come for one of the subgroups you belong to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
Obviously defending the innocent from fascism should be reason enough, but you're literally saying it's not enough, so I have to appeal to the selfish need for self preservation most humans have.
Empathy sadly needs to be learned, so not everyone has it.