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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the socialist party SMER is actually far right. 🤡

[-] harcesz@szmer.info -2 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah, I forgot calling oneself a socialist lifts any questions from the western leftists. You can be a corrupt nationalist government, have mafia kill jurnos, all is good.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Do name the right wing policies SMER promotes, I'll wait.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info -5 points 1 day ago

Just after you name any of their policies without googling it.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

so can't actually name any, thanks for confirming

[-] harcesz@szmer.info -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Can't be bothered to look for a similar research for SMER, but when the party members of Polish SLD (Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej - same type of post-communist party) were studied they tended to be economically more liberal and socially more conservative then the local neo-cons, and that's quite an achievement, as these are basically air-dropped chicago-school of economy US made products.
Left wing ideologies have been destroyed in CEE by the soviet fallout. What's left* are parties cashing in on the nostalgia (/conservatism) and soft authoritarianism with a hint of social policies. By this account Polish PiS (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość) party is also nearly leftist - they had some populist social programs. None of these actually affect the situation of the neglected parts of society in the long term, but the cash giveaways secure the vote, and apparently support from some...

*Of course outside of mainstream there's tiny honest left, socialist or even communist groups, but that's nothing to do with what passes as the mainstream "left", most of which is to the right of western centrists.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago
[-] harcesz@szmer.info 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You could ask literally any active polish Antifa who I am, if actually meant anything more than an pitiful attempt at an insult.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Polish antifa have shown themselves to be about as anti-fascist as national socialists.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

With what exactly? Your tanki friends getting a slap for breaking the terms they got for joining our action? I'd expect you of all people to understand following a set line and punishing dissenters.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

You're blood thirsty war mongers who allied themselves with literal fascists.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

You're siding with a regime that used neonazis to kill our comrades in front of it's goverment buildings, forced our Russian comrades to move from blunt weapons to firearms just to survive on the streets, supports crypto-fascist regimes, and openly finances French, German, Austrian, US neonazis, but claim we side with fascist? Hilarious. Maybe it's time you volunteer to 'Rusich', now officially a part of FSB?

Belarusian and Ukrainian refugees make up 1/4 of my city and half of the radical movement here. Like many of our comrades I've been traveling the region for over 20 years. Been to Moscow, been to deep Caucasian Russia, been to Ukraine a few times including the very areas that are now a battlefield and shared roof and drinks with comrades from other countries, who were now martyred there.
But still instead of hearing out someone who's committed their life to struggle, you're better educated based on something you've read on the internet. Nothing like a western colonial mindset over the experience of local, working people deciding to fight against oppression.

[-] kookaburra@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

used neonazis to kill our comrades in front of it’s goverment buildings

Their killers are now serving lifetime sentences with no chance for parole. And how were punished killers of our comrades Vadim Papura and Andrei Brazhevsky? There wasn't even proper investigation of their murder, and the regime which protects their killers is now actively supported by some shitheads pretending to be "antifa".

forced our Russian comrades to move from blunt weapons to firearms just to survive on the streets

I remember those times very well as it was significant part of my early adulthood. The simple fact that some of those who fought for antifa at the time later decided to support the Nazi coup in 2014 does not change the simple truth that post-Maidan Ukraine is a neo-Nazi shithole, and these "antifa" (mostly, but not exclusively, from the Arsenal and MTZ-RIPO/Partizan fan bases) are nothing more than subcultural scum. Those of them who died fighting for this shit deserve no other honor than Darwin prize.

Now get fucked along with your friends and your "struggle".

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

The regime you ally yourself with is openly fascist. Period. You are a nazi lover.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info -1 points 23 hours ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago
[-] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Help me out here. Someone describing reversing of the situation of his people is a nazi, but Russian state forcing that very situation on his people is anti-nazi? How does that work?
And as a side note what is this mans role in the administration? He holds any?

And how does that fare with Miedwiediew threatening half of Europe nuclear annihilation every few months? He chairs Security Council of the Russian Federation as far as I remmeber?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 53 minutes ago

You're doing that whole whataboutism thing here. At best you can say both are bad, but you are actively supporting one side here. So, you have no moral high ground. You're just a nazi lover and you see Russians as the wrong nazis. It's hilarious how Europe keeps doing posturing and then acting all surprised that Russia is taking hostile stance towards them. You're such utter clowns, you should all get together and start a circus. Maybe that could be your new economic model.

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