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Native American tribes fought each other over land and resources frequently before and after settlers arrived.
Yeah, that excuses precisely 0% of what Colonialism did to them and does not absolve the current Powers That Be of that sin, either.
Don't forget, it's not our fault, but it is our responsibility.
None of these people are alive anymore. We owe nothing to anyone that we don't already owe everyone.
I’m not “excusing what colonialism did to them” are you excusing what the tribes did to each other? This is a problem with humanity not a particular country.
So your point is... ? How does their aggression figure into justifying your initial observation on a post related to their continued colonisation?
I'm not trying to justify anything, but I'd say it's pretty hard to compare some local territorial squabbles to literally sailing hundreds of thousands of foreigners on the lands they inhabited, all but exterminating them all when they (quite correctly, if you ask me) fought back against their conditions and the things done to them, then corralling the ones who were left into almost literal zoos.
My point is the problem is that the human species will take land and resources from eachother using violence. But you’re framing that as “America bad” not humans bad.
No, I'm framing that as "some things are worse than others." But R.I.P. nuance, I guess.
Right you’re trying to target Americans for something that is problematic with humans across the planet. You’re doing this to frame American behavior as worse than other human behavior.
All little kids get into mischief, fact. Old man Nelson’s truck was eventually going to end up in the lake, fact. Why are you focusing on whether or not I crashed his truck into the lake?
Hello, bad faith argument! I'm out.
They had also just signed a massive multi national compact creating a confederacy of tribes that promised to bring years of peace.
Then 95% of them died, for mysterious unknowable reasons. Then some mysterious group had their way of life wiped out, the people scattered and displaced, and eventually forcefully reeducated. But sure, the colonists and later the US had nothing to do with that and they did it to themselves.
Treaties that aim to bring peace are common throughout human history and are often broken.
Everything you described is common throughout human history across the planet.
It’s not good and I don’t condone it. It’s just sus that you are targeting a specific group of humans.
humans do bad stuff and have actually done bad stuff to each other for a long time, why are you drawing attention to one insignificant bad thing that some humans did to other humans? Do you see how useless and dismissive that sentence was?
No it seemed like a reasonable response to someone that is demonizing a group for acting in a universal way. I wasn’t doing that though I was pointing out that OP was so context matters.
You are dramatically off base. The Iroquois Confederacy was basically the EU of the Northern plains nations. It was absolutely not just another boilerplate peace treaty.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but hand waiving away historic achievements of a specific group of people because other people had done something similar before is kinda sus my guy.
The Americans Who Yearn for Anti-American Propaganda
Things that actually happened are propaganda now, got it.