fascism as an ideology is still at it's core a defense of capitalism. liberalism has many flavors but it includes everything that exists to support, reinforce, and defend the capitalist project. fascism is only different in that the violence liberalism wreaks in the colonies are turned inwards, towards the nations of the imperial core. but violence itself is a central pillar of all ideologies and it does not differentiate liberalism from fascism.

it must be embarrassing to be a child amongst adults

Reliance on ableist insults reveals a casual comfort with eugenics 😉

The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden's elected years than Trump's.

Wow I wonder how that could be 🤔. It’s almost as though Biden’s covid “policy” has been criminally ineffective! He can’t even claim credit for the development of the vaccines, since Operation Warp Speed began under Trump!

Biden said that he would listen to the scientists, but forgot to add that they would be eugenicists 😉

Biden literally said it was up to the states to deal with....which is partly what liberals were upset with trump for--not having a cohesive federal response

Nothing disingenuous about it. Biden’s entire shtick was about following the science and doing the right thing (and being able to win over Republicans on controversial issues, that was the whole reason why we couldn't gamble on anyone else) and he almost immediately tossed that out and adopted his predecessor’s “ignore it and it’ll go away” attitude. The White House pushed a vax-only approach which was proven to be ineffective before he even took office and then went out to brunch. For fuck’s sake, the man had to be publicly shamed into sending out masks and tests during a surge his feckless ass engendered because he pretended the pandemic was over in April 2021, when less than half of the adult population got their first round of shots.

I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering how poorly even the states that did give half a fuck in 2020 were managing and there is no doubt that it is a complex job, but once you start mimicking the guy you lambasted a few months prior for exacerbating the problem (not to mention spending the next year and a half prematurely stripping people of basic protections and the ability to reliably test and track within their own communities), you lost what little sympathy I could muster. For all intents and purposes, he owns all of the deaths from the day he stepped into the Oval Office. Worst of all, it's both set the tone for how future leaders will be able to respond to crises, as well as reinforced the notion that our government is ontologically incapable of providing anything for its own citizens besides more terror.

As for which one of these shitstains is more apathetic: Trump gave me more cash (and it wasn't means-tested), suspended my student loan payments, afforded me a rent moratorium if I had lost my job, and didn't end federal mask or testing mandates for traveling because his buddy at Delta Airlines whined to him in a letter. Nothing spells "apathy" like going on 60 Minutes amid yet another surge in cases and saying "the pandemic is over," or cutting off extended UI prematurely, or instructing cities to use their unused Covid funds to give to the pigs.

If Trump was smart enough to even utter the words "wear a mask" at any point in 2020 he would still be in office today. This is not an endorsement, for the record. I don't doubt Trump would have done all of this and worse eventually as well, but the difference is that his callousness was consistently met with resistance and vocal opposition. For Joe Biden, whose callousness is every bit as harmful, there is no effective resistance, no organized campaign to combat the president's anti-science blathering. We all have to get over it and live even more precariously in this shithole lest we be accused of helping Trump win again.

The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It's the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.

Vote every year, twice a year!

lmao this really is all politics is to shitlibs

There's more than two political ideologies. The person you're replying to isn't talking about American political parties.

There's a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.

The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.

Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉

If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.

And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.

I do vote every year and have since I turned 18

Last year I wrote in names for every candidate

here's who I voted for

This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!

Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.

Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.

Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in "lethal aid" to Ukraine.

Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!

I don't understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he's doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.

The good cop brought me some chips, the bad cop yelled at me, how dare you suggest that the good cop and bad cop are the same!

Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.

Thank you, I will vote at least a dozen times in at least a dozen counties just for you. Be the change you want to see in the world.

"Waaaah waaaah ad hominem attacks waaah"

Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he's talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments