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[–] phej@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"feeling uncomfortable about someone else" that's what fascism is dear. Conservatives so are so uncomfortable about what people have in their pants and what they do with it that they want to ban people from talking about transgender and sexuality topics

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Maybe you’re new here, but fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin. Liberals stopped masking almost the instant Biden set foot in the White House, despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office (liberals will also excuse Biden’s “inaction” while claiming that Trump, who occupied the same office, was a tyrannical authoritarian totalitarian dictator who ran roughshod over the hallowed institutions of our precious democracy). Capitalism is a death cult, workers should run the world, not bourgeois scum and their running dogs.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Biden's been in office 2.5x as long as US covid was a thing under Trump.

I agree Biden has decided to throw some lives in the chipper to keep REITs and employers happy, but the "twice as many deaths under Biden" stat is empty ragecalories.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You’re such a fucking idiot. 😂

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

it must be embarrassing to be a child amongst adults

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂

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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Reliance on ableist insults reveals a casual comfort with eugenics 😉

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[–] Farman@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Im not sure; while fascism is certainly the logical conclusion of lieralism. And we can observe so in the protofascist regimes in early 20th century mexico and turkey. i think liberalism is paraphiletic to fascism sort of like reptiles are to birds. The material conditions that enable one over the other are distinct enough, and the core ideological asumptions seem to be different.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

fascism as an ideology is still at it's core a defense of capitalism. liberalism has many flavors but it includes everything that exists to support, reinforce, and defend the capitalist project. fascism is only different in that the violence liberalism wreaks in the colonies are turned inwards, towards the nations of the imperial core. but violence itself is a central pillar of all ideologies and it does not differentiate liberalism from fascism.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin

Oh, look, a HexBear dipshit in the wild! I wonder how we can figure them out so easily!

This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It's the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.

[–] RustyVenture@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gaslighting is telling people that Covid isn’t a threat even though you know it’s not and you deliberately cooked the books to sell that delusion. Gaslighting is telling people you’re supposed to be responsible for governing that a vaccine that was never shown to stop the spread of a disease does, in fact, do that. Gaslighting is telling people that you must personally assess your own risk to a collective, public health crisis with the paltry tools that have been provided, then strip away or sabotage every last one of those tools so they cannot provide even a sliver of usefulness to anyone but the most bad faith interpretations.

All of these things are things both Amerikkka’s fascist wing and liberal, fascist-enabling wing have done and are currently doing (if they’re not outright ignoring it). To anyone with a pulse, there is no meaningful difference, and indeed they are so often intertwined.

Also, Marx was based.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's more than two political ideologies. The person you're replying to isn't talking about American political parties.

There's a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

Vote every year, twice a year!

lmao this really is all politics is to shitlibs

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.

Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉

If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.

And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I do vote every year and have since I turned 18

Last year I wrote in names for every candidate

here's who I voted forche fidel-cool mao-shining lenin-shining stalin-smokin

[–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

This is "both sides are bad" bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don't listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!

Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.

Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.

Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in "lethal aid" to Ukraine.

Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!

I don't understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he's doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

The good cop brought me some chips, the bad cop yelled at me, how dare you suggest that the good cop and bad cop are the same!

[–] Farman@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.

[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Thank you, I will vote at least a dozen times in at least a dozen counties just for you. Be the change you want to see in the world.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

"Waaaah waaaah ad hominem attacks waaah"

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he's talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

Guess you need to put down the Harry Potter and read actual theory/history before discussing topics about which you are willfully ignorant.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

please god go back to reddit-logo

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