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Court hearing goes 'exceptionally badly' for Trump DOJ as judge loses patience: reporter
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Anyone involved with the legal response or not releasing these funds can be arrested and held in contempt of court. This would obviously apply to Trump lackeys, and not himself. Do this a couple dozen times, and his entire cabinet has nobody to enforce their bullshit.
I'll believe it when one of them is in jail. More likely Trump would order US Marshalls not to arrest anyone working for the white house, and fire anyone that tried.
That sounds like a great way to go, but if the past four years have taught me anything it's that I shouldn't expect much of anything in the way of lasting consequences or impediments for Republicans from our courts.
I'll get excited when there are some arrests.
Have you noticed how stuck and stalled the Trump admin is right now? This is why. It's working. We're not even to the first court confrontation yet, which is due tomorrow. We need to see how far the judicitbranch is willing to go to issue punitive measures and enforce these things before we start crying that nothing is working.
This is the process in the US. It's worked pretty well against other bad actors, and we need to give it some time to play out as defined in due process before more drastic measures.
No, I have not.
Edited to add - https://www.project2025.observer/
Then you haven't been paying attention. I've said this a million times before for people saying what you're saying: the executive has less far reaching power than Congress or Judicial for a reason. This is that reason.
Judges can arrest anyone attempting to enforce these fake proclamations that are illegal.
Judges can seize assets from private banks.
Judges can put anyone in jail that refuses to comply, and Trump can't pardon them.
If these rules don't hold them there is no constitutional agreement that states need to abide, and they all immediately assume control of military assets in said states. That's the end of the US, and an immediate assault and destruction of Trump and his psychos in DC.
They won't even try to push that. They know what will happen.
Like the judges who could have locked him up before the election?
I don't think you are hearing what I'm saying. My faith in our institutions is done. Kaput. I will happily eat a serving of crow if needed, but that's gonna have to be a good sales pitch because if our institutions worked we wouldn't be where we are today. We couldn't stop Trump when he had zero executive power and was not the president.
Meanwhile, we're barely a month in: https://www.project2025.observer/
edited to clarify wording of one sentence
Judges can issue orders for all that, but they have no enforcement mechanism of their own. Enforcement of orders is done through bodies like the US Marshals, which are ultimately under the executive branch. What happens if a judge issues a ruling, but the President instructs everyone under him not to enforce it?
You're wrong. Not only wrong, but for some reason bringing up a federal law enforcement agency that most states don't even allow to operate as intended. You can watch videos about this on YouTube if you want.
I'm sure you've seen these true crime shows on TV where people are immediately taken into custody in court and sent straight to jail if found guilty. Without me going into a civics lesson, if a judge declares you guilty of a crime, law enforcement has to incarcerate you. That is the LAW part of government.
The local police are the enforcement army of this, even for federal Judges who operate at a local level.
A judge finds you guilty of a crime, your are arrested and go to jail.
This is where contempt of court comes in. If you refuse to comply with a court order, you are immediately arrested and put in jail. You are held in contempt of court for not complying with a court order. This is not under the purview of state or federal law for pardons because there is no crime committed, you are being held in contempt of court, a branch of government.
A federal judge who is telling Trump's lackeys to stop what they are doing can absolutely fire off a number of contempt charges that Trump can't intervene with.
Elon doesn't comply? Freeze his banking assets.
DOJ head doesn't comply , assume judgement and have her arrested if she steps foot in the judge's territory.
On and on until they comply.
What you're clearly not understanding is that a single judge can destroy this cabinet by simple levers provided by the constitution, and take any of the low level people into jail or also freeze their assets if they don't comply.
DOGE employee: jail and frozen assets
Local Podunk Texas cop who refuses to enforce: jail and frozen assets.
It's all the way down until people comply with the LAW, and the judges enforce these laws.
Former President Convicted of 34 Felonies: No Restrictions
THIS is what we're all screaming at you while you ask if we ever took a civics class.
TRUMP IS ABOVE THE LAW and he was above the law before he even took office this time around.
We're all handwaving away your assurances because they are all about things that CAN happen in a world where people are following the rules and things work like they should. A world that no longer exists.
You're missing the point. Trump doesn't do his own dirty work. His little underlings will be the ones going to jail.
When they do, I'll come back to acknowledge I was wrong. In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath. 4 years of that was enough.
No, you are missing mine.
My point is that nothing that happened with Trump over the course of four years that gives me ANY confidence regarding how the system will work now. (see 34 felonies case)
Your "well okay, Trump is above the law, but the folks below him might not be" is not the confidence builder you seem to think it is. When folks start going to jail (and staying there) I'll share your enthusiasm.
Edit: And it doesn't count if they are going to jail after we've reached the "rebuilding our nation from rubble" stage.
Can you expand on "and Trump can't pardon them"?
Two reasons:
Sorry to be skeptical bud but we got 4 years to prosecute Trump on his many many crimes when he was not protected by his King of America title and literally NOTHING happened to him...
You can sit and wait until the very last shred of the judicial systems shows you it has failed... by then 2 things would be true: 1) apparently you'll be convinced and 2) you won't have a country anymore
That's not the fault of the Judicial branch, they don't prosecute crimes.
Oh come on.. they delayed every step of the way until Trump won again and now claim they cannot impose any sentence
also, it absolutely is the judicial branch's responsibility to prosecute crimes... that is why gov attorneys are referred to as "prosecutors"
By who?
US Marshals...
...who are part of the executive branch under the President's authority... 👀
The local police who are deferential to the judicial. That's how and why they can arrest people. The executive does not decide this.
Am I living in a universe where people just aren't tought these things in school?
Welcome to the constitutional sherrifs movement where they are the law. The only law. Where they chose what is legal and right. They are above any federal law, system, etc.
Also, see: JD Vance saying trump can ignore the courts. And the numerous 'signs your gov is authoritarian/fascist' lists which include stacking/ignoring courts because, who is going to arrest the president? Especially when the supremacists/nationalists have been infiltrating police forces for well over a decade.
The way things ought are no longer applicable.
I don't know what universe you're living in, but it isn't the normal one because you're wrong.
The local police are part of the executive branch of the local government. Not judicial.
That fundamental lack of understanding goes a long way to explain why you keep delusionally insisting that judges can enforce the law.
It sadly all comes down to who the police (and somewhere down the line the military) believe is right.
So the money in almost every case then.
What’s the answer to your riddle? I’m curious
It's not mine, it's a quote from the book "A Clash of Kings" and subsequently the Game of Thrones TV show.
Anyway the answer is just what I wrote. Power resides where men believe it resides. In the riddle, it's entirely up to the sellsword which kind of power they value most.
They do.
Federal Court actions are enforced by the United States Marshals Service, which is part of the executive branch, which is under the President's Authority.
That's why we got the famous quote from President Andrew Jackson: "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it".
How the right will interpret this;
I'm ok with that, they are full of shit anyways, so no matter what they say it will still be shit
Arrested by whom? Isn't it the executive branch that controls the enforcement of laws and judicial decisions?
Serious question. What power does the judiciary have to enforce their rulings.
Judges can deputize if necessary
Thank you for the response.