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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by qaz@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

~~Remove Brave~~
~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
~~Add GrapheneOS~~
Maybe add Delta chat
~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
~~Add aurora~~
~~Add SearxNG~~
Add SimpleX
Add lichess
Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From	To	Compromise
X, Threads	Mastodon	Bluesky
Instagram	Pixelfed
YouTube	PeerTube	ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit	Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+	🔨 Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom	Jitsi Meet
Google Docs	Etherpad
Google Search	🔨 SearxNG	Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive	Nextcloud	pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud	Immich	Ente
Google Chrome	Librewolf, Firefox	Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps	Element (matrix)	Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa	Home Assistant
Play Store	F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS	LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS	Linux Mint

🔨 = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We don’t know. We don’t have access to what’s running on their servers.

Aren't they audited, tho?

(yes i know that the source code is available, but there’s no way to check if that’s the same thing running on the servers)

But isn't this true for most services, such as Matrix as well? Nothing assures that a Matrix instance is running the exact code on git.

Usually the government goes there a just takes whatever is in the rack they want.

But if your threat model is the goverment, aren't all services affected as well? If they want to take element's servers, they will. If you selfhost and they want to take your server, they will?

The problem is that you have to trust them.

I feel like in communication apps you're always going to have to rely on trust. Even if you self-host in a Swiss server, with the best intentions and security practices... Other people are going to have to trust you. You trust yourself, but others might not.

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 week ago

But isn’t this true for most services, such as Matrix as well? Nothing assures that a Matrix instance is running the exact code on git.

It's valid for any server. But for signal messaging is even worse than the competitors because it's centralized.

If you selfhost and they want to take your server, they will?

Correct. With signal there's no way to escape the US government, but with matrix (or other federated protocol) you can make it harder, so it won't be worth it the resources spent. You can also host it where the US government don't have any reach.

Even if you self-host in a Swiss server, with the best intentions and security practices… Other people are going to have to trust you. You trust yourself, but others might not.

But who is more trustworthy? The US government or the swiss government?

Also, the point is to avoid american services. Signal is an american service.