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German police celebrates International Women’s Day (i.imgur.com)
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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Maybe because of what happened months ago with the kalifat stuff?

I'm honest with you... I haven't heard much about that kind of protest lately in Germany and don't have insider knowledge what parts of the state, the government or the 16 sub-governments might find suspicious or not.

Let's just agree that it'd be good for everyone, if the protesters managed (maybe, they already did, I don't know) eliminating the islamists out of their groups.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe because of what happened months ago with the kalifat stuff?

Nope, it's because of the "Staatsräson". Sudent protestors on German Unis most likely don't want anything to do with the kalifate.

Let's just agree that it'd be good for everyone, if the protesters managed (maybe, they already did, I don't know) eliminating the islamists out of their groups.

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

that every Palestinian protest (even those on women's march) are suspicious for the German state.

When reading how the police described what happened there....

Something like that never happens at an average pride parade. Why does it happen during Palestine related protests? If you are the police and experience that, I can imagine them trying to be more prepared the next time and expect the worst-case, just in case....

Der Auslöser der gewaltsamen Szene fehlt im rund eine Minute langen Videoausschnitt, die Auseinandersetzung ist bereits im vollen Gange. Wie die Polizei am Sonntag mitteilte, griffen Teilnehmer:innen während der Demonstration die Einsatzkräfte wiederholt an.

Bereits kurz nach Beginn der Versammlung mit dem Titel "Internationaler feministischer Kampftag" seien israelfeindliche Sprechchöre angestimmt sowie strafbare und eindeutig polizeifendliche Parolen gerufen worden, teilte die Polizei mit. Die Einsätzkräfte hätten immer wieder tatverdächtige Personen festgenommen, daraufhin sei es zu versuchten Gefangenenbefreiungen und tätlichen Angriffen gekommen. "Die Polizeieinsatzkräfte wurden teilweise mit gezielten Faustschlägen, Tritten und Flaschenwürfen angegriffen und wendeten daraufhin wiederholt körperlichen Zwang an und setzten Reizstoffsprühgeräte gegen die Teilnehmenden ein", hieß es am Sonntag.

Bei einem Vorfall hatten Demonstrationsteilnehmende laut Polizei versucht, die Festnahme zweier Frauen zu verhindern, die mehrfach strafbare Parolen gerufen haben sollen. Die Polizei habe die Frauen daraufhin nach Absprache in eine Feuerwache in der Wiener Straße gebracht. Mehr als 100 Personen hätten versucht, in Richtung der Feuerwache zu gelangen und hätten die Einsatzkräfte "massiv körperlich bedrängt". Die Polizeibeamten hätten daraufhin "Zwangsmaßnahmen in Form von Schieben und Drücken" angewendet "sowie selektiv gezielte Faustschläge, Tritte und Pfefferspray" eingesetzt.

Insgesamt nahm die Polizei bei den Versammlungen am Samstag 12 Männer und 16 Frauen vorübergehend fest. Zudem wurden 33 Strafermittlungsverfahren unter anderem wegen besonders schweren Landfriedensbruchs, Gefangenenbefreiung, tätlichen Angriffs, Widerstands gegen Vollstreckungsbeamte und Verwendens von Kennzeichen verfassungswidriger und terroristischer Organisationen eingeleitet. Sieben Polizeibeamte seien verletzt worden, alle hätten im Dienst bleiben können.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're aware that the police is a biased participant in the conflict and you're not really arguing against my point, right?

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, but the protestor who uploaded a clip that did not show what happened before, is not biased??????

You only accepting the one side and one part of what happened there, makes you biased as well.

To be honest: I don't even know what your point is. Mine is: There is a bigger picture and we both haven't seen it.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Never said the proetestors aren't biased. There's no such thing as an unbiased perspective. I just wanted to make sure that you know that a police report should not be treated as a "factual" report (or copying one should not be counted as "journalism", as a slight tangent).

My original point was this (you could have looked it up - it's not gone):

The German state is incredibly repressive against solidarity for Palestine.

How does the fact that the police admit that they arrest protestors for chanting slogans that criticize Israel refute my point in any way?

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The truth is somewhere between. That's kind of obvious........

You won't get arrested for critizing Israel. That's not illegal here.

If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should ..., then you might get arrested, but that's not criticism.... You can replace the country or religion with any other... Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that's good.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You won't get arrested for critizing Israel. That's not illegal here.

You do run the risk of losing your visa, or getting deported, if you're not a German citizen. And you might get sued for relatively minor things, if the case is connected to palestine solidarity. Also, judges and prosecutors will judge you more harshly, due to the Bundestagsresolution.

Here's an article on the matter

Der Antisemitismusbeauftragte der Bundesregierung fordert härtere Strafen für vermeintlich antisemitische Vorfälle sowie den Einsatz von Sicherheitsbehörden wie dem Verfassungsschutz an Universitäten. Ferner sollten Aussagen wie „From the River to the Sea“ unter Strafe gestellt werden: „Mit Prävention allein kommen wir dem grassierenden Antisemitismus nicht bei.“

If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should ..., then you might get arrested, but that's not criticism.... You can replace the country or religion with any other... Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that's good.

My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That's the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

run the risk

might get sued

In Germany, we say "Hätte, hätte, Fahrradkette"... There is "criticizing a country" and there is "hate speech". It's not the same.

Ferner sollten Aussagen wie „From the River to the Sea“ unter Strafe gestellt werden

Finally something positive... That sentence is very dumb, because we all know that different people (especially Hamas) interpret is very differently. Don't hide behind a sentence that openly invites everyone to misinterpret it!

My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That’s the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.

I do not agree with that. You saying it does not make it true.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

In Germany, we say "Hätte, hätte, Fahrradkette"... There is "criticizing a country" and there is "hate speech". It's not the same.

I know the phrase and you're using it wrong. Do you think that there weren't examples of that stuff already happening?

Finally something positive... That sentence is very dumb, because we all know that different people (especially Hamas) interpret is very differently. Don't hide behind a sentence that openly invites everyone to misinterpret it!

I don't really get what you're saying. Are you in favor of making the phrase illegal, or not?

I do not agree with that. You saying it does not make it true.

The mere existence of the term "israelbezogener Antisemitismus" proves me right. The IHRA definition is commonly known to equate the two, which is why the Jerusalem declaration exists.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think that there weren’t examples of that stuff already happening?

There are examples of almost everything. There are even examples of humans pouring gas on humans and setting them on fire. That does not mean that it's normal for our species or that there is a system behind it.

Are you in favor of making the phrase illegal

You got it. A little fine should do it...

israelbezogener Antisemitismus

I don't even know what you are trying to say. Does it mean that one is against jews because of what happened in Gaza?

I'm sorry, but this conversation feels like a never-ending circle. I'm done with it.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

There are examples of almost everything. There are even examples of humans pouring gas on humans and setting them on fire. That does not mean that it's normal for our species or that there is a system behind it.

Your standards for a "Rechtsstaat" seem quite lacking, it seems.

You got it. A little fine should do it...

That still means it's illegal, then.

I don't even know what you are trying to say. Does it mean that one is against jews because of what happened in Gaza?

No. In Germany, you can be called antisemitic for criticizing Israel. They introduced a new category of "antisemitism" where you can be deemed antisemitic while actually not being racist against jews, but rather by questioning the zionist project.

This video explains what I'm talking about