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This is an idiotic teenager and should have no bearing on your opinion of Israel. (I shouldn't have to say this, but if I don't somebody will m'accuse: please note that I'm not defending Israel.)
Ben Gvir, Netenyahu, and Smotrich go on tv all the time calling for ethnic cleansing and war crimes. Should that have any bearing on my opinion of Israel?
Don't really want to engage with an obvious troll, but yeah when the head of state says something like that, it should tell you all you need to know. I've seen idiotic teenagers from all over the world say idiotic things enough to know not to judge a society by their teenagers.
If you want to ignore the obvious thats on you. And if you want to paint my citations of the facts reported in network news as "trolling" then its reality itself that you have a problem with.
wha? No, I agree with you about Netenyahu etc.
eh, yeah. I guess I am loathe to excuse a teens misbehavior when it just reinforces the criminality of his government, but broadly speaking I do agree that teens arent capable of understanding their own actions like adults should be. I get the feeling theres a lot of apologists here saying One teen doesnt represent much, and how do we know the teen is even jewish, to try to make the issue go away, and I see a lot of disenganuous arguing by the zionists so I get an itchy finger on that. Anyway, my apologies, your reasoning is sound, if inconvenient.
My point is that a teen's behaviour doesn't reinforce the criminality of his government, but is mostly orthogonal to it. I can see perhaps there's a monkey-see monkey-do argument that does link a teen's behaviour to his society's, but Israelis are not fond of literal Nazi iconography, so I don't think that applies here.
If you try to use sketchy arguments like this to reinforce your opinions about Zionism, it only opens you to attack. Please, try to keep a level head, or we'll all look stupid. Rather than trying to guess if somebody is an apologist based on the consequence of their argument, maybe check if the premise is sound instead like a rational person.
(Aside: I also disagree with you about teens and self-understanding -- I do think a lot of teenagers are mature and self-aware; my point is that it's a high-variance distribution really.)
The behavior of people from a place actually should impact your opinion on that place
Had it been an American there'd either be no comment like yours or it would have been massively downvoted, food for thought
If it had been an American teenager, I doubt there would have been an article posted at all. But if there had been, I doubt such a comment would be downvoted.
I feel like a similar proportion of teenagers from Israel and America are idiots like this one. I remember many teenagers from my highschool (Canada) who would be this kind of dumb. Based on this, I don't see why people would react differently to my comment, though maybe it'd come across different if the reader is American, not sure. (I think I'd make the same inference about Canadian high schooler as another country's though.)
...that said, I do agree with you. I have noticed for instance that Japanese high schoolers in public seem to be incredibly polite compared to Canadian ones. You can make a small inference perhaps about the high schools from a country based on a single point of data like this. But -- I don't think this really says very much about the disposition toward Nazism (of the original German trappings) in the general Israeli public.