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Mmm'k, I'll take the bike next time I'll bring 300kg of concrete from the store...
The problems is not having a car. The problem is taking its car everyday for less than 5km to go to work.
Yes, you can live without any car if you live in a big city (in 30m2 apartment 😝), eat in restaurant, go to cinema, etc... and love this way of living.
But if you want a house, with decent garden, close to nature, then it becomes hard to live without car. Not that you must take your car everyday, I have an electric 50cm3 equivalent bike to go to work.But yeah, when I do the garden and have 3/4m3 of organic waste, it's hard to evacuate this by bus...
@borokov @veganpizza69
Ironically, your car is destroying the nature you want to be closer to. If you really love nature and the outdoors, using a car to access it is like being a toxic ex-boyfriend who refuses to let go and calls it love.
But what's the alternative?
I'm not talking about the big national parks, which should absolutely have mass transit to shuttle people into it.
But the smaller parks, national/state forests, and public lands? I do a lot of backpacking so I'm regularly at an unnamed trailhead in the middle of my local national forest where we've been on dirt roads for the last 45 minutes. There's not really any feasible way to build public transport to service all of that, and I would very very very much not want them building actual roads for busses or rails for trains.
@Lv_InSaNe_vL
People spread over the earth and into every corner of it except Antarctica, tens of thousands of years before there were cars. Did Genghis Khan have a car? Did Hannibal have a car? Every location you say you can't get to without a car was settled by Native Americans, for thousands of years, without cars. Cable cars would probably have the lowest environmental impact to move people around a park. #MotoNormativity #CarBrain #FuckCars
Again, I'm not talking about a park because in the US there's enormous amounts of public land. For example, I like camping in Manistee National Forest, which is about a million acres of almost completely undeveloped land. Its just not feasible to build a cable car route to the like 7000 trail heads throughout. Nor would I want that because that in itself would destroy so much more of the nature compared to the handful of small cars.
Oh and Hannibal's famous march took 5-6 months. And unfortunately I don't have that kind of PTO ;)
@Lv_InSaNe_vL Lewis and Clark walked all the way to the west coast. My father hiked from Corpus Christie Texas to the Canadian border through the Rocky Mountains in the mid 1970s. If you want to visit remote areas of national parks your feet and a backpack are the best options. Horses are also an option. They can be rented and buying and maintaining a horse is cheaper than buying and maintaining a car. They also do less damage to nature.
Yeah and I've done the Pacific Crest Trail too, which is 2650 miles from the Mexican border to the Canadian one. It took me about 4 months almost entirely on foot. I'm not saying it's not possible, it's just really nice to be able to go backpacking for a weekend.
Again, I am not talking about the national parks. I mentioned that in my first comment. I am talking about things like State forests and National Forests which are essentially just enormous forests. They aren't "parks" in the same way a national park is. They don't have big visitor centers or perfectly well maintained trails.
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahaha oh wait are you serious? Hahahahaha. God that's funny. My car cost me $3500 and about $1500/year after gas/insurance/maintenance. A horse is going to be significantly more than that. And I still need to get the horse to and from the various trail heads which is still going to require a vehicle. And a much larger one because my little car isn't gonna tow a trailer lmao