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Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 400 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp

I'm tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human

They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

That which cannot be found I desire

Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی‌ گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست

گفتند یافت می‌ نشود جسته‌ ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می‌ نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
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[–] faab64@social.vivaldi.net 52 points 1 day ago (36 children)

@Zzyzx

I'm so disgusted by hypocrisy of all the blue MAGAts so disgustingly silent about Trump bombings of Yemen and massacre in Gaza

These hypocrites were so loud about tariffs against Canada and Mexico

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't care about things that do not impact them, or people near them.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It has been clearly demonstrated that vocal opposition to one of those things gets you disappeared by ICE

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

How many American citizens have been disappeared by ICE?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Saying that the right to protest is exclusive to citizens is certainly an... interesting stance...

But looking just at citizens: ICE has already harassed and arrested scores of citizens based on racial profiling. The agency deported as many as 70 citizens during Trump's first term.

There have been allegations of more US citizen deportations in these first 3 months of his presidency. I can dredge up those examples if you'd like, but don't have them readily on hand.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What does "70 potential U.S. citizens" mean? Were they U.S. citizens or not?

I'm not saying the right to protest is exclusive to citizens, I am saying the excuse of potentially being disappeared by ICE does not apply to the vast majority of people.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The investigators found that neither ICE nor U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) maintain good enough records to determine just how many people the agencies arrested or deported in error.

It's like 6 sentences in.

We've already narrowed that vast majority down quite a bit, I would bet anything that a visa (much less a green card) holder wouldn't face this much retaliation in October 2023.

There are about 50 million foreign-born residents in America, so in 3 months this administration has frozen the political voice of ~15% of the population.

They make up ~20% of the working age population, so if you're someone in the get-out-and-protest demographic that gives you decent odds of it theoretically not ending poorly. I guess you could say that's a vast majority, but it was nearly 100% before.

We're on pace for 50% suppression by the end of the year (20% silenced in a single quarter) and punishment will certainly be retroactive. You can understand the dilemma of 50/50 future odds you end up in jail for exercising your constitutional rights.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean by foreign-born residents? Plenty of Americans are "foreign-born residents"

How do you figure 50% suppression by the end of the year?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

People with Visas, permanent residents and immigrants. The administration's argument for the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil explicitly states that his residency rights are void since "we didn't know he was a Terrorist at the time". You can extend that argument to literally any foreign born individual.

50% is napkin projection based on 20% suppression every three months (0.80^3^). Obviously it makes a lot of assumptions but the crackdowns haven't slowed yet, much less plateaued. I mentioned it to show how tenuous opposition can get even for "safe" demographics.

The administration is already posturing for this suppression: labeling vague groups like antifa as terrorists, threatening funding for universities fostering protests, statements about "illegal protests", invoking the Alien Enemies Act, etc... It's not a huge leap to extrapolate to how sweeping these measures will be.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I’m trying to tell you many “foreign born residents” are actually US citizens.

Besides, your assumption is very hypothetical and not rooted in reality.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I understand, I'm trying to communicate how that isn't as big of a protection as it seems.

The very same Alien Enemies Act sent US citizens of Japanese descent to internment camps. That's not a hypothetical, it's a line that has already been crossed.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Apparently they were sent to internment camps using other temporary powers enacted during the war, not that precise one.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Those powers derive from the act, it gives that wartime authority. If you read the official proclamation Trump invented a "war" on gangs to use the same powers.

You can read Roosevelt's proclamation here, it's basically the same document shifted around to target Venezuelans.

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

We had d3clared war on japan before the internments. We aren't in a declared war with Hamas or Palestine @alkbch There are no 'palestinian enemy aliens', but there IS a US code about foreigners on visa OR US CITIZENS interfering with or attempting to do their own diplomacy with other nations. Somewhere down my tl I posted info on that.
@stickly

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social 0 points 14 hours ago

Unfortunately an H1(B) visa is not citizenship. It's temporary residency that IS revocable. @alkbch @stickly

[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is sadly how mainstream liberals have always behaved. I remember when all the anti-war folks seemed to disappear into thin air once Obama got elected. I guess extrajudicial drone strikes are cool when Democrats do it.

[–] thepresentpast@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is exactly the problem with lumping in everyone who is not a Trump supporter as "liberals". You end up with this completely misguided impression of who "liberals" are and what "liberals" do. It's become a meaningless term.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Seems to be a common feature of US politics that words lose their meanings and become distorted into vague aspersions about categories of people, which in practice take on the meaning of "the enemy" or at least "the other", words degraded so that their main purpose is to divide.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

It's because our two party system (and our education system ...) doesn't allow you to have nuance or more than one or two issues that you vote on.

Criticizing Obama for drone strikes only ends up enabling the turn-the-middle-East-into-a-glass-parking-lot people (to bring back 2010 talking points). Similarly, to point out that Biden wasn't nearly tough enough on Netanyahu (he tried to grow a couple vertebrae of a backbone approximately twice) only ends up enabling the "Remember the Abraham Accords? Trump/Kushner a jew-whisperer!" argument.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Liberals as in a supporter of liberal or neoliberal economics, the Democratic Party is neoliberal. There were absolutely liberals who would justify the US striking Yemeni civilians and civilian infrastructure (like the commercial airport) as "FAFO, get rekt terrorists" because the Houthis had the morally correct position of imposing a blockade to apply pressure on the US and Israel to end the genocide. Which the Houthis followed through and stopped implementing the blockade during the ceasefire. All in the context of Yemen being under a US-Saudi-Israeli backed genocide that's been ongoing for years.

I'm kinda still salty about letting agent orange back in the wh but what would you like me to do? I'm not really that knowledgeable on the subject so it's kinda difficult for me to form an argument other than, "let's not kill people." If that's your advise I'll give it a try. Again.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It affects them so you know what they will care and removed about.
They are even worse than maga bcs they're so disgustingly self absorbed and pretentious they think they are on the right side.
I really hope they get what they deserve.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukraine affects me as a fellow European.

I'm not on the right side, I just want my family to live in peace.

Tariffs don't matter. The energy crisis didn't matter. COVID restrictions didn't matter. Those are just economic struggles.

It's safety that matters most.

Israel has been expanding their territory over the past century, it has been well covered by the media every time there's stuff happening. I remember Israeli taking the home of a Palestine family and the Palestinians just had to leave. This was a few years prior to the Hamas shooting at a festival.

If governments weren't handling Ukraine situation, energy crisis, COVID, etc. Then nothing would be happening.

There's people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It’s safety that matters most.

There is nothing less safe than the US/NATO fueled paranoia and warmongering Russophobia.
And the spineless governments of EU aren't handling anything.
They do everything the US tells them to in the case of ex-ukraine or israel.
Nothing but vasals.
That they are sad now bcs their owner doesn't respect them while they've been such obedient little helpers will not change anything.
All it is is embarrassing.
People fail to see Europe's place in the food chain, our media certainly won't admit this.
And neither will they admit the consequences.
What they, and you as a result from their BS reporting, mislabel as 'energy crisis' is a direct result from sanctions and the pure US terrorist act of blowing up Nordstream.
You better believe that matters.
It means we can't compete economically, companies are relocating and we will be in massive trouble.
And to make it worse they double down and decide to spend even more money we haven't got on US weapons.
Who do you think will have to pay for that?
And all it does is get ups a step closer to war and put a large part of the population in poverty.
And I mean poverty like never seen before.
Well maybe not never since the situation is exactly like the 1930's.
And it will have the same result.
Angry population voting for extreme right.
The last step before we're ready to be sent to the Ostfront again.

There’s people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

Sure, about 50, the rest of the apathetic youth is gazing at their phone.

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