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I honestly don't know enough about the situation.
She murdered seven infants. What more information would you need in this case?
motive? mental state? all kinds of other factors might be at play.
Her diary said that she enjoyed watching parents suffer and that she knew she was evil.
What other factors would be relevant?
i don't know: i don't know the case. im not trying to litigate it in the comment section about sam bankman-fried, either. you asked, i answered. you just don't like my answer. i don't care to be interrogated any more.
You said you would not send anyone to prison but cannot offer any alternatives.
Now let me tell you why a policy of not punishing people like Lucy Letby is a terrible idea. She would become a target of revenge-minded people, possibly even the parents of the infants she killed.
She would be tortured and/or killed by individuals who felt justice hadn't been done. After all, if Lucy Letby doesn't face serious repercussions for her actions, then her killer has no reason to worry either.
For better or worse, people demand retribution. Government must provide it, otherwise people will take matters into their own hands.
i think i prefer taking matters into my own hands.
You may trust your own judgement, but do you trust the judgment of literally everyone in the world?
Recently a woman was killed by someone who was offended by her rainbow flag. Last year, a teenager killed a boyfriend who wanted to break up with her.
Today, those are the actions only of unstable people. But they would become the norm if you allow everyone to be judge, jury, and executioner. How long do you suppose an LGBTQ person would survive in Idaho?
laws don't stop people who want to do bad things. if vigilantism were normalized, mores would form around it, and there would be no need for laws or government.
that's far off. we need to liberate people from the material conditions that keep them in bondage to the capitalist class before we can start figuring out what the world will look like after teh revolution. in the mean time, i still don't think it does us any good to pay to jail these people.
Vigilantism is no better than a criminal justice system. You still have rules that you must follow, and punishment for those who break the rules. Vigilantes could even lock someone in a cage if they felt like it.
So I don't see why you prefer subjecting someone to the whims of vigilante mob than to much more predictable criminal processing. If anything, vigilantes have embraced racism and class preferences far more openly than our legal system.
And laws do stop people from doing bad things. That's why lynching suddenly became less common after it was outlawed.
vigilantes don't have a monopoly on violence and a labyrinthine bureaucracy preventing policy change
A monopoly on violence is usually a good thing. The alternative is war, either on a local level (gang wars) or national (civil war). Wars are generally to be avoided.
And policy change may be hard, but changing the attitudes of a mob is much harder. We passed laws against racism in the 1960s, we still haven't eliminated racist mobs.
that's a false dichotomy
Well, at least one alternative is war. Which I prefer to avoid, even if it requires a monopoly on violence.
And I will always prefer one group threatening violence to rule-breakers to multiple groups threatening violence to rule-breakers. Especially since multiple sets of rules are more likely to be contradictory.