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Okay honest question. I have no idea what the truth here is, so please dont come at me.
There was this whole thing with a trans woman mma fighter, who won big or something. People said it was unfair.
Was it? Wasn't it?
back when, i guess it made sense for me. I am all for people being who they are, but not participating in punching each other in the faces seemed like a fair compromise, i thought.
But i don't know, is it? What do you guys say?
https://tube.fede.re/w/16650f54-3c69-4d81-b7ae-17f0a3889dbd
The John Oliver video goes through your concerns and talks about how:
a. most trans athletes haven't been winning big, ppl with an agenda have been twisting facts to make it seem like they have.
b. a blanket ban is not the answer, but each sport competition making their own rules based on how many years of hrt the athlete has been on, how much of a difference sex makes for that sport, etc. Which is what was happening for years.
c. There are much bigger and more common issues with women's sports that we need to address like coaches assaulting athletes, lack of resources compared to male teams, etc. And the same ppl claiming to protect women's sports by banning trans athletes are voting against measures to fix these issues.
That makes a whole lot of sense.
I am generally against "across the board" rules, as it often hurts more people than they benefit. Making individual rules for each sport makes sense.
Also yes, do something about judges raping athletes, like wtf?
Also a lot of the cases actually reported were sports where gender doesn't confer and advantage either way, like disc golf.
The men complaing about it can also fight the mma women to find out how "easy" it is.
A woman trained in mma fighting a man that isn't... I bet the woman will win lol. But is that a fair comparison do you think?
Wasn't there a poll where a majority of random men asserted that they could beat one of the Williams sisters at tennis?
Thats ridiculous lol. I don't know shit about tennis either, but i bet gender dont mean a lot in tennis. Maybe armwidth plays a little role?
If your claim is that men are superior to women because of raw strength then yes.
https://youtu.be/nMJPSp7xrN4
I don't really know shit, i am not claiming anything. I am generally all for trans rights, but on this specific subject i have always just minded my own business because i don't know shit..
But yeah i guess the way i generally think about it is that untrained, a man will likely develop stronger muscles than women. A trained woman could beat an untrained man, but a trained man would 9 out of 10 times beat a trained woman.
Let me stress, this is just how i think it is, i have no idea of it is true. But if it is true, then i don't think your comparison is fair.
too much assumptions.
Yeah i can admit that. That is why i am asking, to learn.
I hate to quote Joe Rogan cause he's a tool but he summarized it well. A professional female martial artist can beat most men. A professional male martial artist can beat all women.
Doubt
L M A Oyour first clue was it's Joe Rogan, This sexist bullshit can be fired right into the sun
Sure man whatever makes you feel better. I mean I've been tapped out by girls plenty of times in BJJ I don't have a problem with it, but ask any woman that does martial arts and they'll tell you how annoying it is to spar with men because of how much stronger they are, like a lot of techniques just don't work. At the end of the day that is why women's sports are important.
eat a block troll :)
Coming from the same guy who is anti-vax and claims vegans cause more harm.
I agree he needs to stay in his lane but he is legitimately an expert regarding MMA
The statistic I've read is that the top 90% of men are stronger than the bottom 90% of women. The inverse of that is that only the bottom 10% of men are weaker than the top 10% of women.
Obviously this is a matter of strength only, and isn't a direct measure of skills, but in most sports does have an impact on skill. I feel like martial arts is a sport where strength is such a significant factor that weight classes are so strictly measured in such small increments.
Beyond that, I can't speak in regards to what effect being cis/trans, or other hormonal situations, have on competition.
Yeah weight classes help for women (since it counteracts the fact that men are generally just bigger), but even pound for pound, looking at weightlifting records on Wikipedia men are about 25% stronger. For comparison that is a bigger strength difference than the difference between weightlifting weight classes. Obviously MMA is much more than a strength competition but that would be really hard to overcome. Also, men are quicker with hand and foot speed.
A whole lot of this BS is based on the idea the women are physically inferior to men.
The truth is that when you account for muscle mass/body fat ratios and height, that benefit goes away almost entirely. Men (or more accurately, people with more testosterone) add muscle mass quicker, and will see better results from exercise. Women (or people with less testosterone) can get the same results, but it takes more time.
If you think that all women are inferior to any man (throw back to trump saying he could beat a female swimmer to her face) I'd welcome to you watch the vid where some dipshit bro tried that same thing on Rhonda Rousey.