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US citizen wrongfully arrested by border patrol in Arizona held for nearly 10 days
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I'm sure when you get picked up and detained without due process all you'll need to do is use reason and logic with them and everything will be fine. /s
I'm also sure that your first reaction to that was to snort in disbelief that such a thing ever would or could happen to you, even though it's already happening to other US citizens. But sure, if you can fit in as a favored type of citizen, maybe it won't happen to you (that's the important thing, right?).
It's time to stop clinging to the belief that things are normal in the United States. Logic, reason, and rule of law no longer apply. Eventually we'll all have to choose a side: the easy one going along with the fascists, or the hard and probably dangerous one against them--yes, even your strawman single mother who is "very concerned" but needs that ICE job, has to choose.
You're making a lot of assumptions. I've thought about what I would do if I got a visit from ICE. I actually pulled my gun out of the safe and cleaned and oiled it just to make sure it was in good working order. I think if they came to my house I would refuse to let them in and if they tried to force entry I'd use any force necessary to defend myself. That said, if there was a list of citizens to be rounded up I suspect I'd be pretty far down on it.
I don't think things are normal in the United States however I don't believe logic, reason, and rule of law no longer apply. Courts are still in session where I live, cases are still being tried, police are still on the streets and enforcing the laws.
My example that you incorrectly called a "straw man" was to demonstrate that making such a broad statement catches people tangentially related who might be stuck by circumstance. I realize a fictitious example isn't the best but hoped it might help illustrate the point. If it's easier to consider what's happening with Tesla and Tesla vehicle owners that's kind of a parallel. There are people who have had a Tesla vehicle long before the current craziness with Musk that may now find themselves caught in the middle simply because some years ago they bought a car that is now being associated with Nazis.
The Tesla brand is associated with fascists for a reason--Elon Musk is one, and perhaps even the most powerful one. The Tesla brand should become anathema for that reason. It should be a mark of shame to drive one now, no matter what it was a sign of before. Don't tell me to feel as sorry for Tesla owners as for the people whose lives are being ruined by Musk and the trump regime as a whole. If they could afford to buy one then, they can afford to get rid of it and get something else. Yes, it's too bad it turned out that way for them, but the blame for that belongs to Musk, not us.
What's really too bad people being abducted and sent to prison camps. People who have served in the government being fired for no valid reason and the detrimental effects that will have on the rest of us and our society. The destruction of government functionality so it can be taken over and its resources divvied up between fascist oligarchs.
Yes, I'm more worried about the people who will lose their medical care as Medicaid is defunded by Congress, those who may miss payments or even completely lose their main source of income after thousands of Social Security workers were fired and the agency becomes more dysfunctional, those who are suffering or have already died because USAID was suddenly shut down, etc etc etc than I am about someone's Tesla resale value or those who work for ICE in any capacity.
Who told you to feel sorry for them?
Who told you to worry about someone’s Tesla resale value or to worry about people who work for ICE?
My whole, and only, comment was that I disagree with the broad general statement that any person employed by ICE is a bad person. I don’t think it’s that simple and convenient.
I’m not a huge fan of how much use Nazi is getting lately either. I was implied as being a Nazi in another comment by a user and that is extremely offensive. Nazis called Jews vermin among other names, 47 uses terms like gang member, illegal, and rapist to talk about immigrants. These terms are just ways to buffer and dehumanize the subject you’re talking about.
You're the one who said Nazi (in your previous post). I use the term fascist which is more accurate for this regime/movement and its supporters, though I don't doubt that many in its ranks would also fall under and identify with the specific term Nazi.
I’m aware I used the term. It was just an additional thought I had that kind evolved and dovetailed in throughout the number of responses I got that occurred while I was replying to you.
I suppose historians will settle on a specific term, probably 'maga' (though I'd prefer 'magat'), to apply to the members of this instance of fascism.