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Watch out for BYD from China.
Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.
It’s not just Lemmy. Also Reddit
I don't go there anymore so I don't know 🤷
Can't speak for other countries, but in Australia BYD is smashing it.
They represent incredible value for money and it's not like we've got a local industry to protect - our conservative government made sure of that.
We're already the world's dumping ground for shit vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, so having a non-Elon Musk EV alternative is something people are grabbing with both hands. We bought a BYD Seal Performance for $70k AUD a little over a year ago. For that money you get an incredibly comfortable sedan that does 500k on a charge, costs about $1 per 100km to run, and does 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.
EU vehicles are crazy overpriced by comparison, and because they try and position Mercedes / BMW / VW as luxury brands here the servicing and repair costs are through the roof. Part availability also sucks, with everything being a 6+ week lead time. We've owned European vehicles on several occasions and never again.
What about Japanese options?
Like what?
Korea has a few (Hyundai, Kia / same,same) but the only Japanese options are [P]HEV or the Toyota BZ4X which is... ugly... if it didn't have a Toyota badge I don't think they'd sell any of them. Few old Leafs still hanging in there, but if you want to go more than 100k at a time that's them ruled out.
300km+ range for the Leaf these days and they've got the Ariya that has over 400km of range, but I just checked and they don't seem to offer either in Australia...
Guess you're truly stuck with Chinese and Korean models then...
I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.
I've seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.
Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.
Don't want to protect elon musk's swastikar LLC with tariffs? Must be a tankie! Want to buy a cheap electric vehicle? tankie!
"Anyone who supports Tesla is now a Tankie. Anyone who is anti-Tarrifs is now a Tankie. Anyone who wants anything anti-Trump is a Tankie."
Fuck the Tankies fuck communism entirely, I just got back from Cambodia, got an economics degree and like capitalism, China's a bunch of dickheads.
BYD is going to change the world.
It's the classic incumbents move slow into new tech. Added with government investment, low labour costs, access to raw materials/adjacent industries, hungry growth focused companies, semi crazy workforce.
I haven't drove a BYD or even a electric car for that matter but reading the stats things are going to move fast and the rate they move is going to increase. I can see all the west companies largely losing their overseas market, other than luxury, inside cities. The world's moved on and people don't realise.
Nice try but true capitalists with economics degrees hate capitalism. There simply is no other system ever attempted.
China's capitalist move is to operate these electric car companies at or near a loss to push competitors out of the markets which would be unsustainable if they had to worry about human rights in the process.
Plenty of things have been tried.
Like communism has been tried multiple times. Every time was an unmitigated fucking disaster.
Because they present amazing value (at Chinese prices) and really advanced battery technology.
It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4
We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.
I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.
I've seen some BYD here in Germany. No clue where they were bought though.
And that ugly Ora whatever cat. I've seen that as well 😵💫
Weird here in Denmark they have a map of dealers on their homepage?
They have dealers pretty well distributred throughout the country.
https://www.bydauto.dk/find-forhandler
Same in Germany:
https://www.byd.com/de/find-store
You have the best stuff. If it weren't that far, just for some sauce...
Looks nice, unfortunately it's pretty inconvenient for me to get to Sweden, although we have the bridge from Copenhagen, it's 1½ hour drive to get to it.
But if all goes well, we will get the Femern connection to Germany in 4 years, and that's only a ½ hour drive. 😀
Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.
AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.
So all BYD has to do is the absolute minimum to make a BEV into a hybrid. So like, a model aircraft engine and a bike dynamo? It doesn't have to charge the batteries well. And you can put it on a module that can be easily removed. Maybe sell the car with a little display case for the removed module, just to be extra cheeky.
I think EU needs to recognize it as a hybrid, so no.
That seems arbitrary.
I bet it's not, and that there are clear regulations for it.
That's the way things usually are with such classifications.
Especially for something that for years had a significant TAX credit.
Yeah, that's why I suspected it was easy to game.
EU is neither as corrupt nor as incompetent as you seem to think.
Maybe you are thinking about USA?