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Starmers behaviour is undeniably pro israel though. He's jailed reporters for reporting too accurately on this genocide, he's been sending over huge amounts of weapons to israel, his 'human rights' lawyer mates have decided that the genocide of Palestinians is warranted, etc.
Him having israeli family just adds to this compromising behaviour.
My understanding is that his wife is Jewish but that doesn't mean she is Israeli. I think she's just British. It's like how not every Muslim is Asian; there are British Muslims.
It's fair to criticise Starmer for his policies on Israel, obviously, and it's fair to say he's too pro-Israel if you think he is. But I don't think his wife's background necessarily determines Starmer's views. Just like it would be wrong to assume that Sadiq Khan practices political favouritism towards Pakistan just because he has family from there.
So you believe Starmer's family ties to israel are just coincidental and completely unrelated to his zionist policies? That he just decided on his own, completely independent of any israeli influence, that genociding Palestinians is acceptable?
Sadiq Khan doesn't actively practice or advocate for political favouritism towards Pakistan or Islam. The only people assuming he does are stupid racists.
It's not antisemitic to hate israel. Nor is it bigoted or remotely stupid to look at Starmer's zionist behaviour and active political support of genocide, and link it to him having a direct connection to israel.
Why do you only call it racism when we're talking about Muslims, but not when we're talking about Jews? It's either racism in both cases, or racism in neither case.
Because the idiots who think Sadiq favours Muslims, think all Muslims are brown.
It's not racist or antisemetic to hate isresl. Nor is it racist or antisemetic to be opposed to having a genocidal zionist with isareli family as the prime minister.
Jewish people are not all isrelli. Israeli people are not a race. And a great many Jews are actively opposed to zionism and the genocide of Palestinians.
Stop trying to imply shit.
Our PM is a zionist with israeli family, who is actively supporting the genocide of Palestinians. This is literally undisputable.
Criticising Israel is obviously not antisemitic, but you seem to be assuming that Starmer's wife is Israeli. And even if she was, that wouldn't necessarily mean that Starmer shows favouritism towards Israel.
So you're saying that everything Starmer has done in aid of israel genociding Palestinians, isn't him showing israllel favouritism? How do you come to that conclusion?
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And everyone keeps asking for a citation that his wife is Israeli. Our PM could just simply be an absolute cunt without blood ties.
Double posted that reply, sorry!
And I agreed that I couldn't find a source. Did you not see that bit?
The fact that Starmer is actively supporting and funding isreel's genocide of Palestinians, and he has isreeli family and close ties to the country, should really not be ignored though.
If our next PM has a spouse with russian heritage and half the family lives in russia, and this PM starts massively funding and politically supporting the russian invasion of Ukraine, while imprisoning pro-Ukraine reporters and protestors... would you also claim the PM having russian family and close ties to russia, was completely irrelevant to their motives?
I did, but you still reiterated the point hence why people keep calling you out on it.
No, I stopped mentioning his wife being usraelli after I couldn't find a source, I kept talking about half the pms family being from isrell instead, which there is a source for.
It's like you weren't actually reading what I wrote and have been making things up to get offended with me over.
You must be mixing me up with someone else, because I'm definitely not offended.
The PM is a two faced prick, I think we can all agree on that. And that's really all that matters.
Maybe Starmer is too pro-Israel, I'm not denying that bit. I just don't think his wife's nationality or religion is relevant. Just like I think it would be wrong to assume that Sadiq Khan favours Pakistan when he makes political decisions, just because he has Pakistani heritage.
If our next PM has a spouse with russian heritage and half the family lives in russia, and this PM then starts massively funding and politically supporting the russian invasion of Ukraine while imprisoning pro-Ukraine reporters and protestors... would you also claim the PM having russian family and close ties to russia, is completely irrelevant to their pro-russia motives?
Yeah I don't think their family would be relevant in that case. If the next PM did start supporting Russia then I would criticise them for that decision, regardless of whether family connections influenced their decision or not.
Anyway. Like I say, we don't seem to know whether Starmer's wife even has Israeli citizenship. I definitely think it would be wrong to assume she does just because she's Jewish.
But even if Starmer's wife does have Israeli citizenship, that doesn't necessarily make Starmer pro-Israel. He might be too pro-Israel, but a hypothetical Israeli wife wouldn't necessarily make him pro-Israel.
No, my reading is just fine actually. If you want to get mad about what I've said, well that's your problem I guess.