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arbitrary cultural standards that are not applied equally are sexist.
If the rule changed as to be everyone has to cover up their chests it would become sexist to men because men don’t even have breasts.
Men have chests. Fat men also have breasts.
But it seems the defining feature is the nipple, and both sexes have those.
Yes but the attraction to men’s chests is based on the muscle tone usually where as women it’s the shape of the breast and further more the centre of that. I think there also an acknowledgment that women’s nipples are way more sensitive and prone to triggering arousal when touched compared to a man. These are broad generalisations but laws need to be broad and general.
Also no one’s getting excited by man boobs, generally speaking
So the solution is to treat all chests and nipples equally. Allow them to be shown, or hide them from everyone, but enforce the rule consistently.
But in general men and women are different in this area and there’s vastly different reactions to each scenario ie a man having his shirt off vs a woman having her shirt off
Laws can only be enforced on someone's actions, not on other peoples reactions.
Yes but decency laws are applied purely because of the reactions they cause. If someone takes a shit down a drain on the street it’s not the littering that bothers me so much. I want there to be a law that can make that stop.
Again, someone has to act indecently. It's not the reaction that makes something illegal.
Nudism has already been ruled as not being indecent, this applies equally to males and females.
Ah. Now we are getting to your point. You want it to be illegal for someone to offend you. Not going to happen, because it is not practical. Different people will be offended by different things. It's not a basis for law.
If nudism (where you are) is not deemed as indecent I completely agree there should never be a law that specifically targets women. That seems obvious. Where I am nudism or more specifically being naked in a public space is deemed as indecent.
I think the position we have reached in this discussion is that laws should be equal for everyone, regardless of sex.
This means that if a society decides naked female nipples/breasts are offensive then it should also apply to males. If male nipples are not offensive then neither are females.