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And how do you ensure that the "radical left" doesn't support surveillance measures? Not like the ideology has a good track record on that matter.
You mean like every other government? I dont. Radical leftists stand for human rights. Of course there is a chance that they get coopted. But every other political ideology does not need to get coopted to oppress people.
Most moderate anything government doesn't even begin to come anywhere close to the control of a "radical" leftist state.
What is your basis for "radical" leftists standing for human rights? Radical leftists are rarely liberally minded. I don't disagree that many left-wing parties stand for decency, environmental protection, and various rights - but "radicals" do not.
You are making assumptions. It shows that you dont have any idea of leftism.
The idea of leftism is that people (and animals in most cases) are the same and deserve their needs met.
You can criticize the measures taken to ensure this, especially in capitalist societies where you may have to use force to break capitalist resistance. If all you ever knew is rape, being disallowed to rape can feel repressive. But its still okay to repress it.
And it is okay to disagree on this. Thats why we have both anarchists and marxists. Massively simplified, one party wants to mentally arm the population and push for a self educating, politically mature population. The other one wants to change the system from the top and reeducate the public on cooperation and classless society while forcefully repressing the regressive ideas.
They both actually want the same, communism. The classless, stateless society.
Of course that is an ideal, a utopia that might never be real but the millions of people dying under capitalism every year and the exploited people all over the world, the exploited planet that is starting to kick us out are WAY worse than all that has been seen before. The strongest argument for marxism is the limited time we have before we will just die out (starting with those who already are exploited the most today).
no thanks, no person who waves around hammer and cycle gives two shits about betterment of mankind, the same way someone waving a swastika around does not.
Interesting take. What makes you say that?
the insane number of atrocities and murders commited under the hammer and cycle flag and the modern commies love of whitewashing and apologizing for it. Nobody who wants the world to be better for everyone would not call themselves a communist.
Okay. So you dont mean communism or socialism, you are talking about a symbol. So if one took lets say, a wave, would it be okay then to have people housed and fed?
I get you dont think eastern europeans are real people and their lives or suffering matters but commies are same as nazis to us: they both want to mass murder.
Why the fuck would anyone who is not selfish rally behind a symbol of oppression, mass murder, authoritarianism, war, propaganda and economic decline? If you have no issues waving hammer and cycle around, you have issues.
Nice ad hominem bro.
I have family from eastern europe. I also have family from east germany.
You know what they say? You know what the majority of the people who lived that era say? Its much worse now.
People using stalin and national socialism to discredit the idea of communism and socialism need to start reading books. Its really important to start having actual discussions without personally attacking folks. These shortcirtuited propaganda ridden hateposts wont convince me and they wond convince anyone who is able to read a book.
People in eastern germany, infamously, didnt have bananas most of the year. You know what they also didnt have? Homeless people, starving people. Today that is the case A LOT.
Of course it was interesting and promising for people to come to western germany from socialist or communist countries back then. But its not because they had to fear for their lives because they couldnt afford to pay the rent or their food.
The most important part is that authoritarian governments are not what leftism is about, its not what socialism or communism is about.
Here's interesting stuff from a pretty reliable source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
Have fun reading. It will help.
Socialism is good, everyone deserves the same opportunities and safety net.
You cant remove communism for the mass murder. You cant forget the people starved to death or worked to death in name of communism. Fuck everyone waving that flag the same way fuck everyone waving a nazi flag. If that offends you, go cry.
I get that you're triggered but it is not okay to attack other people like this.
Please read a book. It will help you. Get off the internet for a moment and start reading. Understand what people mean when they say communism instead of trying to get them to shut up. We will never shut up. You will always get triggered and hurt other people. That is literally what we are trying to stop.
The definition of communism is the classless, stateless society. You're not even referencing anything in particular. What you - i think - are talking about is stalinism. That i havent been too much into yet. I have heard about the infamous gulags which apparently have been horrendous.
Btw its also illegal in the country i live in to compare what the nazis in the holocausy did with anything else. We call it holocaust relativism.
I get its now cool to wave around symbols of mass murder regimes and stomp all over those who were murdered in the name of it on lemmy.
Since when its okay to not call out apologists for systems that have historically lead to mass fucking murder and countless atrocities beyond human comprehension every single time?
You're all morals and no facts. Nobody said murder, let alone mass murder would be okay.
You dont like the symbol i get it.
Now stop with the strawmen. Its not what is happening here.