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[–] Allah@infosec.pub -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

no one is saying it is right smart ass, i am just saying you should accuse the entity that militarizes civillian areas

[–] h4lf8yte@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As I know we have no other information source about hamas using civilian infrastructure like hospitals as military bases than the IDF. That's because no external journalists are allowed in gaza by the IDF. And in the beginning exactly this IDF also claimed they don't target hospitals and it was a hamas rocket that hit the biggest hospital of gaza. Now there is not a single hospital left. So maybe we shouldn't believe this kind of information. Also there are other methods than bombing the whole area if the enemy is really using civilian infrastructure as military bases. So it's still on the attacker if civilians die. Especially if the attacker has massive military capacities and options for other methods like in the case of the IDF.

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t matter what your justification is, killing civilians is wrong

Do you know how to read?

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR JUSTIFICATION IS

[–] swordfish@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What to do then in a situation where civilians are killing other civilians?

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its wrong for anyone to kill civilians, what are you talking about?

[–] swordfish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Civil war. When one group of civilians is going against another group of civilians.

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Do you think that the union army or the Confederate army were civilians in the American civil war?

Civilians = non-combatants

If they're engaging in warfare, they aren't civilians

[–] swordfish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is very USA centric, so I dont know the background enough there. The argument i am trying to make is against the "there is no justification" part of your statement. A similar statement would be there is no justification to kill anybody ever. Sounds all good and valid, until shit hits the fan properly. If you read my question as "killing civillians is fine" then that is an incorrect interpretation.

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Killing should only be done in self defense. Dropping bombs on civilians is not self defense

[–] swordfish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I got no argument against this formulation. Unless of course someone would threaten to kill my family unless i press a button and then random people die and my family gets to live. Not self defense, not combatants. I'd press the shit out of it anyway.

[–] Allah@infosec.pub 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"engaging in warfare" is subjective

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I bet the Geneva convention has a pretty objective definition.

[–] Allah@infosec.pub -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ok but who is to blame for their deaths? the allies or axis ?

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people that drop bombs on civilians are responsible for killing civilians.
The people who starve a population are responsible for starving a population.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE JUSTIFICATION IS

[–] Allah@infosec.pub -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

wrong it was axis fault for militarizing it in the first place, by not bombing it they would have incentivized the practice

THE FAULT IS ON AXIS NOT ALLIES

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Were the nazis justified in destroying the Warsaw ghetto because Jewish groups had militarized it?

[–] Allah@infosec.pub -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

of course not because they were agressor in invading poland which had a goverment of it's own

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

You're not even trying to be consistent

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you saying that people have the right to militarize parts of their own country? And doing that doesn't justify murdering civilians? Sounds like you've switched to my side

[–] Allah@infosec.pub 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i am saying germans were agressors in ww2 that's why it was bad

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

International Law doesn't make that distinction. The only reason you make that distinction is because you want to justify killing some civilians

[–] Allah@infosec.pub 0 points 2 days ago

i am confused, i mean isn't reducing civillian casualties good? Sounds like you’ve switched to my side