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Yeah okay. Like a strongly worded letter is gonna do anything?
Gavin: Just fly to DC and physically smack Trump around. You're in way better shape than he is, you're guaranteed to win.
Strongly worded letters are all the current Dems are good at.
As if the public is doing anything more substantial.
The public out there on the streets of LA this weekend are certainly doing substantial things. Why the defeatism? Go join them and help.
It's not just LA this weekend, either. People have been fighting against ICE all over the country.
It’s not defeatism to point out the public literally voted this in.
Oh, all of us?
No but more people voted for this and that’s how the system works.
So, it's not defeatism, you're just arguing for maintaining the status quo? If that's not defeatism in the face of a system that is mass arresting people, then what is it? What exactly is your point?
Edit: ah, just noticed that you are a moderator of conservative@lemm.ee. Maybe you really do want to uphold the status quo of Trump's directives.
I also moderate !conservative@sh.itjust.works because I’m a big bad dirty conservative.
Fascism isn't conservative. 'Conservatives' in the US are mostly heartless white-supremacists hiding under the established parties to enact neo-nazi policies under the guise of 'patriotism' and civility.
Okay and what's your point?
I'm saying it's false to call yourself a 'conservative' if you align with the US conservative movement because it is a fascist movement.
I'm a liberal.
The first step to fixing a problem is admitting there is one.
Voters voted this is. They are a problem.
There’s more ICE agents on the street than protesters
Where did you find the official count? I want to look it up too.
You might try stepping away from your keyboard and checking for yourself.
lol no there’s not
I mean... gestures at LA?
Nah they're waiting to be saved by a party that they intentionally ensured had no control over any single segment of the government.
It's amazing how every time the Republicans are doing something shitty and the voters didn't give dems control all some people can do is point out what the dems are or aren't doing.
Dems do something 6/10 bad? "Same shit different pile fuck the dems I'm voting Republican"
Republicans do something 8/10 ghastly? "Wow why didn't the democrats stop them?"
I don't understand what these people expect Democrats to be doing to "fight back". They have absolutely no legislative power, they're already filing lawsuits en masse but ALSO don't control any meaningful courts, and they're aggressively holding town halls and publishing their message to rally the people. Some of them are getting arrested trying to forcibly do their jobs but no, the Democrats are just letting this happen!!!
The American people are waiting to be saved by a political party that they intentionally made toothless, but they forget that governing is only allowed at the consent of the governed.
It's literally their jobs to fight back though
I'm assuming that he's just creating a paper trail for when things inevitably escalate. If this is all he's got, though, it's pretty weak.
Sure smells like it. Paper trail
The best Newsom is going to be able to do is pull trump onto his podcast and "have a conversation with him" where he makes more steps to the right to hopefully nab some more "principled Republican" voters.
I appreciate that