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Running LLM in 30 years seems really optimistic
It literally runs on my phone, and is at least decent enough at pretending to care that you can vent to it.
how so? they can't make locally run LLMs shit and I assume hardware isn't going to get any worse
There are local LLMs, they're just less powerful. Sometimes, they do useful things.
The human brain uses around 20W of power. Current models are obviously using orders of magnitude more than that to get substantially worse results. I don't think power usage and results are going to converge enough before the money people decide AI isn't going to be profitable.
The power consumption of the brain doesn't really indicate anything about what we can expend on LLMs... Our brains are not just biological implementation of the stuff done with LLMs.
It gives us an idea of what's possible in a mechanical universe. It's possible an artificial human level consciousness and intelligence will use less power than that, or maybe somewhat more, but it's a baseline that we know exists.
You're making a lot of assumptions. One of them being that the brain is more efficient in terms of compute per watt compared to our current models. I’m not convinced that’s true. Especially for specialized applications. Even if we brought power usage below 20 watts, the reason we currently use more is because we can, not that each model is becoming more and more bloated.
Yeah, but a LLM has little to do with a biological brain.
I was thinking in a different direction, that LLMs probably won't be the pinnacle of AI, considering they aren't really intelligent.
ohhh
Assuming they would be enough food to maintain and fix that hardware, I'm not confident that we will have enough electricity to run LLM on massive scale