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Apple love to preach "the UI gets out of the way of your content" with each new redesign, but how true is that in practice? Let's compare the total height of the Safari UI with a toolbar, favourites bar and tab bar visible, across the three latest Mac OS design languages – Yosemite, Big Sur and now Tahoe. I've added a red line for emphasis.

It sure looks to me like the UI is eating more into my content with each redesign.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why use Safari on macOS? There are so many alternatives, and basically all of them are better.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Safari is the new Internet Explorer. A lot of Web APIs don't work on it, or are incomplete. Apple is still trying to push users to use native apps over Web apps, where they can get their 30% on app sales and IAP.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

I agree that their browser is broadly speaking pretty bad, but I also happen to think that native apps are generally preferable on account of web tech being a large pile of flaming garbage.

Broken clocks and all I guess

Integration with macOS and features like synchronization with iOS/iPhone or generating new iCloud mail addresses.

I always use other browsers in parallel. Sadly they typically fail to adhere to macOS UI conventions or don’t integrate as well across devices.

I use Waterfox (Firefox fork) as a secondary browser because of the more powerful extensions. Other than that usability and OS integration is worse.

Camino used to a be a good Mozilla/gecko browser back in day. Sadly it was abandoned a long time ago.

[–] WaterSword@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Safari is actually a pretty decent browser. If you want to not use any google, or google chrome related browsers Safari is the best integrated with the hardware and the system on Mac.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't think I'd ever choose Safari over Firefox, to be honest.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I have because Safari is just better UI wise on iPhone and syncs to macOS’s Safari. I really don’t like any other browser on iOS.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

Well you don't have to. I would, I would choose it over Firefox on Linux too.