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I've tried coding and every one I've tried fails unless really, really basic small functions like what you learn as a newbie compared to say 4o mini that can spit out more sensible stuff that works.

I've tried explanations and they just regurgitate sentences that can be irrelevant, wrong, or get stuck in a loop.

So. what can I actually use a small LLM for? Which ones? I ask because I have an old laptop and the GPU can't really handle anything above 4B in a timely manner. 8B is about 1 t/s!

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[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Hey, you're treating that data with the respect it demands, right? And you definitely collected consent from those chat participants before you Hoover'd up their [re-reads example] extremely Personal Identification Information AND Personal Health Information, right? Because if you didn't, you're in violation of a bunch of laws and the Twitch TOS.

[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

If I say my name is Doo doo head, in a public park, and someone happens to overhear it - they can do with that information whatever they want. Same thing. If you wanna spew your personal life on Twitch, there are bots that listen to all of the channels everywhere on twitch. They aren't violating any laws, or Twitch TOS. So, *buzzer* WRONG.

Right now, the same thing is being done to you on Lemmy. And Reddit. And Facebook. And everywhere else.

Look at a bot called "FrostyTools" for Twitch. Reads Twitch chat, Uses an AI to provide summaries of chat every 30 minutes or so. If that's not violating TOS, then neither am I. And thousands upon thousands of people use FrostyTools.

I have the consent of the streamer, I have the consent of Twitch (through their developer API), and upon using Twitch, you give the right to them to collect, distribute, and use that data at their whim.

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So, buzzer WRONG.

Quite arrogant after you just constructed a faulty comparison.

If I say my name is Doo doo head, in a public park, and someone happens to overhear it - they can do with that information whatever they want. Same thing.

That's absolutely not the same thing. Overhearing something that is in the background is fundamentally different from actively recording everything going on in a public space. You film yourself or some performance in a park and someone happens to be in the background? No problem. You build a system to identify everyone in the park and collect recordings of their conversations? Absolutely a problem, depending on the jurisdiction. The intent of the recording(s) and the reasonable expectations of the people recorded are factored in in many jurisdictions, and being in public doesn't automatically entail consent to being recorded.

See for example https://www.freedomforum.org/recording-in-public/

(And just to clarify: I am not arguing against your explanation of Twitch's TOS, only against the bad comparison you brought.)

[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

You build a system to identify everyone in the park and collect recordings of their conversations? Absolutely a problem, depending on the jurisdiction.

Literally not. The police use this right now to record your location and time seen using license plates all over the nation - with private corporations providing the service.

and being in public doesn't automatically entail consent to being recorded.

And yes, it's called 'expectation to the right of privacy'. Public venues are not 'private' locations, and thus do not need consent. You can, quite literally, record anyone in public.

Even the link you provided agrees.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't Twitch own all data that is written and their TOS will state something like you can't store data yourself locally.

[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago)

I'm not storing their data. I'm feeding it to an LLM which infers things and storing that data.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There is no expectation of privacy in public spaces. Participants to these streams which are open to all do not have a prohibition on repeating what they have heard.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Right and what I was saying was even if it wasnt “public”, single party consent means the person recording can be that single party- so still a non-issue.