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"They’re taking Shirly": An Army sergeant thought his family as safe. Then ICE deported his wife.
(www.motherjones.com)
this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2025
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not that I'm encouraging it but I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more violent attacks on ice officers
You need only 1 guard per 100 slaves.
Until the slaves start facing starvation or hunger, they'll never revolt.
That's the neat part: starving slaves too often are busy with survival, they have "families to feed", they have no time for revolutions. But caution is needed, yes. So keep your slaves hungry but not starving and they'll never revolt.
Well that's a dumb myth. Even with a heavily armed guard, they could not fight 100 people and win in almost any situation.
That isn't the point. The point is that a single heavily armed guard is enough to deter a hundred people from even trying to fight until they are desperate.
The point is that, even though those hundred people would win a fight, and even if they know it themselves, those hundred people are individuals. Unless they are desperate, none of those individuals are willing to stick their neck out to fight.
We see this in prisons. We saw this under slavery. We saw this in concentration camps. A few armed people are sufficient to suppress lots of unarmed people. Sometimes the unarmed revolt, and when they do, they often succeed if they are willing to take massive casualties. That doesn't change the fact that they rarely try to revolt in the first place.
It isn't important. A guard can be non-armed except for a club. Slaves won't attack. Because they are slaves.
I mean, slave revolts have happened numerous times in history. I think you need to educate yourself more on this.
Yes, and between those revolts, there were NO revolts for very long periods of time.
I don't say that revolts are impossible, I say that they are rare and happen only under very special circumstances. If slave revolts were norm, then slavery wasn't a thing ever, because guards were always in the minority.
And I think that you don't think.
a simple internet search would prove you wrong
Facepalm.
Try it. I just pulled up centuries of slave rebellions.. you can't just ignore history and insist your are right.
Facepalm.
Small-scale violence excites and emboldens fascism. It will not stop it.
All I’m hearing is that we should be using large-scale violence.
We’ve done it before.
The OG Antifa?
Absolutely.
And honestly, I’m convinced that that generation more or less fully dying out in the last decade or so (and I mean across the western world, not just in the states) was a pretty direct cause of this fascist resurgence, because everyone who was a part of getting rid of fascism the hard way last time around is in the ground.
The thought does scare me and even though I'm pretty sure it has its critics, that 80 year cycle thing does make me wonder - given the (current) average human lifespan, there might be something to it.
All that wisdom dies off and has to be re-learned. Kind of like all the idiots learning about vaccines right now.
If we can get large scale protest, we won’t need violence.
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr/publications/35-rule-how-small-minority-can-change-world
I'm talking about defending yourself, not attacking anything.
My comment is condemning the violence mentioned above, regardless of motive.
Violent response vilifies the citizen against the officer ‘doing their job.’ That is leveraged to strengthen laws that protect officers, used as more propaganda to grow support for the right, and costs us another resister to incarceration.
People need to stop suggesting response with emotion and read history. Small scale resistance against fascism has never been successful.
Again.. no one reads.
I’m fully aware of your personal disclosure. That’s why I wrote “people” and not “you.” I was answering your question. Are you always condescending when you don’t understand the context of a reply?
Oh man, this is the same guy that told me to stop saying what I want to say (oppress my right to free speech) and then resorted to childish name-calling (called me an ass). A bully just like trump. Dude's all mixed up.
I don't care if someone disagrees with me. I'll listen to someone who can make valid points, but that's not what a bully does.
I didn't ask a question, I made a statement. Again, no one reads.
You’re a spectacular dick, aren’t you?
No, I just don't have patience for people that don't pay attention to shit and insist they are right.
I wasn’t debating you, dumbass. I was substantiating why more people aren’t committing violence against ICE, and why it’s important it stays that way.
You’re right. No one reads.