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[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're not all from the US, but yes all the western block got anti-Ussr colored info. Still there is little you can find that can make a critical mind see Stalin as anything but a dictator. There are things you can admire in Marx, Trotsky and even Lenin, but if you cannot see how Stalin hijacked the revolution to make his own autocratic empire that while somewhat communism flavored, was structurally not that different of a fascist state, then you are willfully blind. The leader worship, the paranoia, the constant surveillance, those have no place in a communist society.

It is those aspects precisely that make Sanders equate the republicans to stalinists. I think the comparison is apt.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Stalin did massively advance Russian science and industrialization. But he did so at a massive human toll. Also his role in fighting Hitler is so minimized that people think he colluded with Hitler when the USSR basically defeated Hitler by themselves at Stalingrad and America swooped in afterwards.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The USSR did the greater part in defeating nazi Germany, seriously nobody who knows a thing about the fall of the 3rd Reich could deny that. They did so at a huge cost in soldiers and material. This is something that the world should thank the people of the USSR for, their sacrifice was terrible. However it was not Stalin defeating the nazi's single handedly. His troops and officers did, nor did Stalin do this out of the goodness of his heart or through personal heroics. It was a fight for survival.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The Nazis lost at Stalingrad. Only after their defeat and being pushed back, America swooped in and took over Europe before Russia could.

Then they saved the Nazi scientists and officers and gave them top positions in NATO.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I'm not disputing that one bit. But was Stalin in Stalin in Stalingrad at the time personally leading the defense? Or was that Russian soldiers and officers?

Also Russia did much of the same when it comes to scientists http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/inostr-yazyki/nemets/Uhl_Stalins_V-2_2001.pdf

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but also no. The Russians used Nazi scientists to kickstart their own rocket programs under strict supervision. They extracted knowledge to educate their own scientists and then sent the Nazi folks back to Germany.

The US and Europe however gave Nazi officers and scientists high ranking positions and influence over their politics.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 hours ago

Indeed a serious difference.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So did hitler. Only people praising hitler are same ones praising stalin.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

No, he really didn't

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Hitler did play a big role in killing Hitler. That much is true.