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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I watched a very comprehensive and professional video by Captain Steeeve on this subject earlier today. He didn't outright literally say that one of the pilots deliberately downed the plane, but it was very clear that he thought that was the only explanation that really made sense here. Why do you say it sounds like they "did not mean to do so"? The switches are designed to not be movable without considerable deliberation and intent, you can't just bump these with your knee and switch them off. And both pilots were plenty experienced enough to know that you don't turn those switches off at that point in the flight.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Petter and Ben from Mentour Pilot all but said they came to the same conclusion

[–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Highly recommend everyone give this a listen. It covered most of the other possibilities people are bringing up in this thread:

  • They have to be pulled out, moved, and pushed back in to change the state
  • The plane cannot take off with them in the wrong position
  • There is no procedure to ever toggle both off at the same time, and no procedure to toggle them off period at their low altitude
  • Both were toggled off within 1 seconds of each other
  • The engines were functioning normally when they were toggled off

Captain Steve really tried to not blame the pilots in previous videos about this crash, in fact he really believed it had to be something else, so it says a lot that this is the only conclusion he can come up with.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 hours ago

Don't know anything about planes. Could these switches be "cross-linked" with some physical link on the other side of the cockpit, so that the other pilot has to pull something to allow the first pilot to even move these switches?

Fuck fly by wire and glass cockpit crap. A physical interlock.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx20p2x9093t

Until there's independent evidence otherwise I'm going to assume either fudged maintenance reports or the switch designer at boeing is about to commit suicide by shooting themself in the back of the head hours before talking to the press.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

So a mechanical failure let the switches go from RUN to CUTOFF during flight, but they remained in RUN during the entire crash sequence? I don't buy that. The forces experienced by the plane would be magnitudes greater during impact with the ground than any kind of turbulence or other bumps.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Surely someone committing suicide and taking hundreds of people with him in the process wouldn't lie about it.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It's also possible that the one that did it said "why did you do that" to try and shift blame for reason(s) of insurance payout, shame, or something else and the one that said "I didn't" is telling the truth.

Whichever one did it, that video from Captain Steeeve makes a pretty good case that one of them did.