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All of this news coming out now show you just how terrible democrats are at being a real opposition party. All of this was known and it never came to the attention of the media.
To be fair, this was all information that was published before. Just like now, it changes absolutely nothing for his supporters.
Not to say that the dems aren’t terrible at messaging. But this seems to be more of a case of Trump having so many scandals that people forgot the details of this one. Saw someone post the other day that they went to Epsteins wikipedia page and had completely forgotten large swathes of it. Its just too much, too fucked up, for people to hold on to it.
And the worst part is, none of it is hidden. The video from the 90s (maybe early aughts) that had him speaking about his good friend ‘who, you know, likes them a little on the young side,’ was from Inside Edition (iirc). Dude casually admitted his friend was a pedo and it gets published as a puff piece.
None of this is new, none of this is unknown, its just unbearably fucked up.
Not as unique as you might think. This might be an elite class issue. A lot of people knew about Harvey Weinstein before he got metooed.
And it makes those folks just as culpable. Knowing someone is actively committing that sort of crime and doing nothing is nearly as bad as doing it.
What is someone supposed to do exactly? Epstein was one of the most powerful and well connected individuals when he was alive. Let’s say you saw an employee who looked young—you go to the police, you tell them your suspicions…did you get her ID? Do you think Epstein won’t sue you until you’re broke? Do you think there will be justice when he can call up politicians and get things buried?
I’m not suggesting that everyone should keep their mouth shut all the time, it is just that he was a huge dragon that could not be attacked unless you were a particularly qualified hero. Who knows how many people tried to blow the whistle and ended up dead or discredited and in poverty. It is easy enough to say “they should have done something”, but succeeding is a whole different ballgame.
If you were deep enough to actually know things that you could prove, you were very likely the kind of person who was also guilty. That is part of why the plan worked for so long.
Exactly, which the video quote I think proves. He really felt comfortable saying that. He’s high up in all of that, but he is far from the only one in that muck. And it certainly didn’t end when Epstein died.
I'm sure a sizeable portion of them think it makes him a real stud.
This isn't an exclusively Trump scandal. Epstein has his hooks in dozens - if not hundreds - of people. Billionaires like Bill Gates and politicians like Bill Clinton and royals like Andrew Edwards, Prince of York This is at least as big as the Jack Abramoff scandal from the Bush Jr era, a scandal that DeLay inadvertently engineered as exclusively Republican through his K-Street project.
It isn't a simple messaging problem. It goes to the foundations of fundraising, candidate selection, and bureaucratic organization. Far too many people are dirty within the upper ranks of both parties.
A lot of it was out. The Republicans refused to believe it until now.
Many will still do mental gymnastics to rationalize it away.
Just like liberals refuse to believe Democrats are involved too, and that's the real reason they've ignored it the whole time.
From top to bottom, from Bill Clinton to Alan Dershowitz, the Democrats are not your friends.
I have not encountered a single person that believes this. Everyone seems to want them to bring justice to all of them, regardless of party affiliation.
I see what you're doing, by the way. Might work on reddit, but people here see through it.
Also, LOL at acting like Alan Dershowitz isn't a Trump creature, and should somehow be lumped in with the Democrats... Sorry bud, but that hasn't been true for nearly 30 years.
All you're concerned with is benefiting repubs.
How do you get that from what I said?
They are both child raping cults, I'm unwilling to defend Democrats on the Epstein client list, that makes me pro republicans?
Think before you speak.
Comrade, I don't need to further explain that your whataboutism has a goal. It's beyond obvious.
It's not whataboutism, I have never defended Republicans. It's good for you to see that both sides are bad.
I know, you shit on Democrats and only Democrats and everyone knows why.
Okay...
Trump is not the only wealthy person involved. The people that own both parties don't want themselves and their friends implicated. Bill Clinton, Bill Gates etc
I think it's more a testament to how much the average american ignores, I don't think anything new has really been released regarding Epstein and Trump. Mostly rehashing similar acqusations that have been floating around for years.
I mean there is sworn testimony of him raping an ex-wife https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-exwife-claim-he-raped-her-resurfaces-in-new-documentary-a6836151.html but that never got any traction.
Yeah this isn't exactly true. I'm pretty sure this was reported on before 2016, and people just didn't care then.
But yes, Democrats are awful at messaging and drop the ball at every opportunity.
Which "people"? I thought/think it's fucked up and I wish it was a bigger issue. It's literally media/hegemony that chooses which tales to hype or bury.
Enough people to elect him twice.
The billionaire media moguls like the Murdochs, Bezos and Musk don't care for the idea of removing Jerome Powell from chair of the fed and they already got their big bill and Vance. Donald is used up and they can keep this from going away until it gives Donny a stroke from the constant stress.
It shows there are more Democrats on the list than Bill Clinton.
Who cares, reveal them all.
At times, it's like watching the Washington Generals play the Harlem Globetrotters.
"C'mon guys! They're not even playing real basketball anymore! Get back in there and take back our civil rights and public services!"
What? Epstein has been a major story for the last 10 years, at least since he was first arrested in 2006.
They did. Just as the media reported on all Trumps lies, the problem is that his voters couldn't give a shit about any of it.
Democrats are also on the list. Nevar forgat that Trump said he'd run as a Democrat if he evar ran.
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I’m not seeing a need for correction. Not this one anyway.