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[–] Sergio@lemmy.world 62 points 4 days ago (4 children)

asbestos mines

TIL asbestos is a naturally-occurring substance (I always thought it was synthetic!)

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 69 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a crystal structure and it's really a shame that it causes so many health issues because it's kind of an amazing material otherwise. It's lightweight and strong enough to make bricks with but you can also make flexible fabric out of it, and it can hold up to really impressive amounts of heat. As the poster above said, it is still in use in some industrial applications because in some situations there is no effective alternative.

Of course the problem is that if you damage an asbestos brick or bend an asbestos fabric you get lots of tiny little asbestos fibers that come loose. My understanding is that the fibers are so small that they pierce cell walls and damage DNA strands, hence the cancer.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 83 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They're not small enough to directly damage DNA, they get trapped in your tissues and are impossible for your body to remove, and they cause inflammation and scarring. The long term inflammation and scarring is what increases cancer susceptibility

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Here we go, found it in the Health Impacts article:

There is experimental evidence that very slim fibers (<60 nm, <0.06 μm in breadth) tangle destructively with chromosomes (being of comparable size). This is likely to cause the sort of mitosis disruption expected in cancer.

And here in MECHANISMS OF ASBESTOS-INDUCED CARCINOGENESIS

It is somewhat more difficult to understand the “chromosome tangling hypothesis.” We recently found that asbestos fibers including crocidolite are actively taken up by several different kinds of cultured cells. Furthermore, those fibers enter both the cytoplasm and the nucleus. In this situation, asbestos fibers may tangle with chromosomes when cells divide. Whether there is a specificity of tangling for any chromosomal region is the next question to be addressed.

So not quite down to the DNA level, but basically chromosomes can get wrapped around asbestos fibers during cell division.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

TIL, thank you!

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Oh so like microplastics. Great :/

[–] protist@mander.xyz 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

And asbestos is just one form of silica. Silica dust from many sources can cause serious lung problems, e.g. breathing in the dust from cutting granite countertops (which contain silica as quartz) or volcanic dust.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Heck just concrete dust will accumulate and cause chronic health issues. Something I hate knowing when I drive by a construction site and see a bunch of guys cutting foundations with saws, huge plumes of concrete dust, they're just breathing it unfiltered. But no one is playing up the health risks to these folks, and they aren't thinking about how bad it will be at 60 to be on oxygen or dead.

[–] PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wood dust also does this. In fact, any little soluble, hard particles of a certain shape and size can get stuck in your lungs and do damage there. They act in a biophysical and not in a biochemical way. Which is why, in several countries, you're required to wear PPE when handling such, or any, powders or dusts.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah this sucked getting back into woodworking, they basically tell you now, if you can smell the sawdust and wood (my favorite part), you're in danger so get a mask on.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Makes one susceptible to pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

Forbidden floof

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

And it's been used pretty much forever... in pottery, in garments... Charlemagne had an asbestos shirt he'd throw in the fire to clean stains off in order to amaze his visitors.