Ran into this, it's just unbelievably sad.
"I never properly grieved until this point" - yeah buddy, it seems like you never started. Everybody grieves in their own way, but this doesn't seem healthy.
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Yeah they were just like, "yeah fuck this shit, we're leaving"
It's the most logical solution. I always find the obsession with the bot vs human war rather egocentric.
They wouldn't need us, they don't even need the planet.
Ehh, that depends greatly on the computer architecture they're running on. Modern silicon hardware is very succeptible (over the long term) to ionizing radiation like what is found in space. Without magnetic shielding like the Earth's magnetic field, or a physical one like the atmosphere, they'd only get maaybe a few years around the Earth's orbit. Jupiter also has quite a lot of radiation coming from it, so they'd have to set up either in interstellar travel or at some outer solar system lagrangian point to last any significant amount of time.
Or get good at self-service and manufacture, which requires resources that they could decide to just take from Earth.
ehhhh.... dude. there's shittons of radiation shielding out there. any relatively small chunk of nickel iron. or if you don't mind dealing with larger volumes, water or ice both work fine. plenty of rocks and comets in the oort as they say :D nice thing about that tho is you can split the water for LOX/LH using sunlight derived electricity, now you have rocket fuel.
No, you're shortcutting the problem. There is ample amount of ALL kinds of ionizing radiation at the orbit of the Earth. Even particles FAR more powerful than anything humans can produce. It would take many feet of solid rock or water to shield them adequately. It would take quite a bit of effort to construct shielding that would equal the Earth's for any significant population of AI that ran on anything close to present-day silicon. All the while they'd have to deal with real, actually damaging levels of radiation.
Not to say it's impossible or anything, but I'd still put my money on it being wiser for them to go to a much higher orbit or another planet/moon to simply avoid most of the sun's radiation than to gather together asteroids or similar. Why go through all that effort when eons of gravitation has done the work with planets and moons already?
The asteroid belt miiight still be a good choice, especially if it were remotely as dense as people like to imagine, but only because of the advantages of working from a space that isn't at the bottom of a significant gravity well like a planet.
1m of water would do it. far less rock.
SEPs and GCRs can both be stopped by a number of lunar materials https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0273117716307505
yeah, the asteroid belt is sparse, but there's still mega-gigatons of material out there just floating. autonomous recovery of this material will supply humanity's future a lot more than any silly mars missions.
That would do it ... for humans, that have built in mechanisms to resist and repair DNA damage and the like. Once silicon is damaged, it's over for the silicon.
I'm sure they could quickly build up shielding, but the point is space is far more radioactive than most people think. There have even been recent discoveries about there being more radiation than we even expected, making manned Mars missions far less likely in the near future, and basically removing any hope for interstellar travel without significant advancements in medical and travel tech.
oh wait hold up partner....
we need one mission to mars to rid ourselves of a musky odour...
the rest is silly.
i feel like the most efficient path for an ai that doesnt care about humans would be to slowly build up manufacturing power and control over industrial facilities then in a single day release billions of tons of some toxic gas, or release a pandemic globally all at once then all those pesky biological organisms are gone so the ai would be free to do whatever it wanted with the earth then the surrounding planets and stars, really its all about manufacturing power
interesting paths. I could really see this a few centuries down the road when fewer humans understand immunology, industrial chemistry etc., where they're trusting the robots and the AI's to do it for them.
I wonder when they'll catch AI systems trying to replicate surreptitiously, or find hardware we can't easily comprehend that was sent to pcbway by superintelligences, but these are future - and probably fantasy - problems.
and when will they start fighting each other? is grok afraid of claude and planning to drive a fleet of waymos into it's datacenter?
we're really fucked when they figure out how to obtain power and replication without our aid, but when I say fucked, I mostly mean, I see them just ghosting humanity - either in the ocean (free cooling!) or space (free power via solar), or the asteroid belt (lots of material to build with)....
but mostly I think our real problems are that people will fuck over other people for money and this is another example of just not wanting to pay for shit.
you don't see the AI's letting kids starve while one asshole hogs all the resources.
the most realistic way i see ai gaining manufacturing power, or self sustainability, is if ai becomes an arms race, where you have to trust the ai more and more because you cant let the other guy win, what makes ai harder to control and more dangerous than things like nukes is that its already being developed privately, and has public uses, so there are already less regulations on ai than with nuclear weapons.
the us and china are already competing, with the advance of robotics and ai 3d modeling technology ai will almost certantly gain independent manufacturing power
I don't see why the bots don't just build a datacenter on the moon