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Yesterday marked one of the most shameful days in the history of the Metropolitan Police as they arrested peaceful protesters including a blind man in a wheelchair, an 81-year-old woman with Parkinson's, a former British army officer, and a bunch of, um, Quakers. All of them were protesting against two things: the UK's ongoing participation in the Gaza genocide and the proscription of Palestine Action. All of them were arrested under the Terrorism Act.

Imagine being the police officer whose job it was to wheel this man away. You can see the shame in his face as he lowers his head. These officers must know history is not going to judge them kindly, but they must also know just following orders is not okay. If I was a police officer, I would not have made those arrests, even if it cost me my job. Doing the right thing is infinitely more important than just following orders.

Yesterday police made twice the number of counter-terrorism arrests than they did in all of 2023 and one-fifth of those arrested were over 70. One police officer was wearing a hat that suggested he came from a Welsh police force. Remember this when police say they can't send any officers out after you've been burgled. Police are dealing with the real criminals now, and the real criminals include quakers. Yes, quakers were arrested.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

here in the US, they won't even declare the KKK as a terrorist org, but holy hell will they happily go after brown people

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here’s a reminder that modern gun control laws in the US got started during the civil rights movement by conservatives, because lawmakers were scared of black people owning guns.

The civil rights protestors realized that peaceful unarmed protests were quickly and violently busted… Cops had no qualms about dragging protestors around, beating people, firing into crowds, etc… But peaceful heavily armed protests had cops politely watching from across the street. Because firing into a crowd is a lot less appealing when the entire crowd can immediately return fire.

When conservative lawmakers saw heavily armed protestors on the front steps of their capitol buildings, and saw police completely unwilling to break the protests up, they got really fucking sweaty really fucking quickly. So Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Reagan who is treated as a paragon of conservative values by conservative talking-heads), and the NRA (yes, the same NRA who lobbies for looser gun control laws in the wakes of school shootings), co-authored and quickly passed the Mulford Act. At the time, it was the single most restrictive gun control law that had ever been passed, and it set the stage for modern gun control laws.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

you're smearing a lot of distinct point of history together, but the premise isn't wrong.

Ronnie got upset because it wasn't some civil rights march protester, it was BLACK protesters, specifically Black Panthers. That's what specifically motivated the NRA et al. The idea of minorities, armed, actually standing up for their rights.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's fair and it should be officially a terrorist org, but on the flip side there have been many actions taken against the KKK leading to their large decline over the decades, including in the 1960s when FBI Director Hoover and Agent Roy Moore setting up new field offices in Mississippi and holding many of them accountable as well as uncovering and making public new murders that otherwise went under the radar. There was also a large deradicalization programs that effectively reduced members of such groups and prevented crimes, the programs which grew in scale under Obama and were torn down by Trump.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And mississippi only got that federal scrutiny after they kidnapped and murdered white protesters along with people of color. If the KKK hadn't gone that far, I'm not sure we would have seen that federal response.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it had more to do with the church bombing that killed 4 little black girls, but you clearly can't accept any examples of goodwill from whom you view an enemy.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

....

you do realize there's a difference between mississippi and alabama, right?

like, I know it's all the south and racism kinds to smear the boundaries but I was specific in my wording because I meant mississippi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing <-- alabammy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schwerner <--- mrs'ssippy

man, sometimes I feel nuance is entirely lost on this crowd because they're so quick to attempt to correct what they're either misreading or misunderstanding.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So because of some imaginary lines you reject the correct timeline of events?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So because of some imaginary lines

so we should just mash up all the events for all the places into some kind of quantuum hyperstate because you can't tell the difference between one and the other?

you reject the correct timeline of events?

and when did the fbi actually start acting against the KKK in the place we were discussing, mississippi?

did they start cracking down hard on those mississippi klansmen when those poor children were murdered?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

did they start cracking down hard on those mississippi klansmen when those poor children were murdered?

YES. YYEESSS.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NOT. ENOUUGGHGHGHGHG. OBVIOUSLY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner

So I'm done having this convo, you're pedantic and genuinely boring. And apparently as dense as you are annoying.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry that holding child murderers accountable for their crimes bores you, have a good life.