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Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn't nap, you can adjust what you do after
Have you had kids? Did you attend any of their doctor appointments?
Knowing how often their diaper is changed is medical information the doctors will ask.
yeah but you are pulling their attention for that, logging that is time they are not dealing with children.
They're spending that time doing diaper changes. They're not attending to the other kids regardless.
I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.
A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say "just," but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
It's like you haven't read a single reply
its like you havent read what I said, You should want to talk to these people, dont treat them as a resource, they are caring for your children. This is the same with their teachers, you should want to talk to them, even more than the scheduled times.
You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.
I'm the one arguing that they don't deserve to be your slave... I'm sorry you feel entitled to so much of their time. They're overworked, understaffed, and have to deal with so many entitled parents.
Logging in the moment saves them literal hours. It also doesn't mean you can't talk to them, it just means you can focus on the important parts instead of wasting time that could be spent focusing on the children.
This one is mostly unrelated, but seems important: Do you think everyone's memory is infallible, or that daycare workers are superheroes?
We're just talking about doing a diaper change. I don't know how you can call that "stacking a caregiver hard".
...do you think they aren't dealing with other children during pickups?
you would think they would have all these other workers that can cover while you talk to the parent. Also I would assume that mgmt is out and about more to help at drop off and pickup.
So, literally the exact same scenario as the logging, except it takes 10-100x as long?
but with human interaction and a back and forth conversation. Also it seems that one friend of mine who has this option at the daycare they use in nashville the caregivers do have a one on one with the parent when picking up. So its not just weird, but also redundant.
So the same doesn’t apply for doing logging, which takes less time?
Also, stuff gets forgotten, with a log done right away, stuff isn’t forgotten. You think as you say one person can remember the issues of 30 different kids?
How long do you think it takes to log? That would take maybe 5 seconds max unless the ui is horrendous.
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.
30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that's for a stupendously overworked person. Like "CPS call" levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.
that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
Going based on my kids daycare, it's really not a problem. You're talking 30:1 kids to caregivers, and 8:1 is over the legal limit.
Like, I've hung out in the daycare. I've talked to the caregivers. It's not nearly the way you seem to think. They like it because it's easier than the documentation they would be keeping for their own purposes.
I'm typing this having just gotten back from dropping the kids off with them and hanging out chatting for a bit.
If the kid fell and bumped his head, I'm sure they are spending about five minutes logging and tending to them. Probably 20 seconds typing after 3 or 4 minutes putting an ice pack on it, giving them a hug and letting them sit on their lap.
so wait you are saying they do have time to chat, which in a lot of these comments they state they dont have time for this. I think the logging of major things would be fine, but bathroom breaks and nap time hell all the other small things they have to log is dumb, and not really helpful if you are trying to get to the source of an issue (like bathroom incidences or they seem to be overly tired). Also I was never talking 30:1, if you look we showed its 10:1 legally.
Also how long did it take you to write that, were you on a phone or tablet? I know a lot of the people I know type really slow on a table due to how bad the keyboard is (this is not talking about a docked one). So pressing a few buttons then typing something out is like 2 to 5 min. I am just saying in the world where they dont have the time to talk to you (which I asked around and isnt the case, and you seem to say the same) they could be spending that time with the kids and then interact with me at the end/start of the day.
Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?
That's not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you're absolutely not getting a full report while they're panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.
If they are panicking while the child is being picked up and dropped off that kind of environment might not be for them. Also the idea that you think that you interacting with the care giver/parent is a time sink is the reason why I think its dystopian, I would want them to be in full care giver mode at all times and not have to switch to logging corp slave for the few min an hour. I am sure that dumb shit is taxing on them and its just a thing for parents that will require it (god forbid those same parents actually spend any time with those people or look for other things in their childs environment that could help that need this kind of logging. ).
Yeah, I hate to break this to you, but we are living through a dystopia. Nobody can afford childcare and all childcare is understaffed
… there’s limits to how many children can be watched by a single caretaker, it’s like 7 in most jurisdictions. So while there’s 30 kids, there’s other caretakers who can watch, or their workload isn’t so bad that 30 seconds to log all kids is gonna be an issue,
You clearly have no experience with this, so why are speaking up?
Not even close to right, fed says it can be 10:1 no more then 16:1 sooo that is still minutes out of each hour. And that is if everything is running smooth and children are anything but smooth. And I am speaking up because again I think its dystopian, I would rather the person in charge of my child TALK TO ME, and we can learn what to expect and want from the relationship then them sitting on phones or tablets logging every last thing my child did. And I must point out that your math is bad, 7x5 isnt 30. If you need precision in your childcare you should strive for it in yourself.
What federal limit are you referencing? Federally funded Early Head Start classes serving students under 36 months old must have two teachers with no more than 8 children (4:1 ratio). CFR 1302.21(b)(2). Kids in diapers will probably be under 36 months.
Many states have their own requirements.
that is the classes one, these are caregivers not teachers. I was referring to https://childcare.gov/consumer-education/regulated-child-care/supervision-ratios-and-group-sizes
Got it, thanks. Looks about the same, for what it's worth: recommended ratio for children 13-35 months old is 4:1.
And that seems reasonable, those are the ones that would need the most physical intervention (like helping them stay upright).
So you want the caretaker to spend 5-10 minutes chatting to you instead of spending a few seconds logging?
Who’s watching the other kids while the caretaker has all their attention on you during pickup?
Your suggestion takes more time and leaves less time to spend are taking other kids.
Most daycares don't have that sort of volume of children for it to be an issue, I'd imagine. 30 kids isn't a daycare, that's like 3 kindergarten classrooms.
You either haven't had kids or it's been a reeeaaaally long time... We don't support child care in the US, something like 80% of daycares are understaffed.
I just asked a few of my friends with kids in daycare. One said (valley cali) said the daycare had like 300 - 500 kids there. Then another (Tenn, outside of Nash) She said there was 70 there when she first started with them and its more now a year later. I dont think kindergardens have like 10 in them either. to be fair those daycares do have a lot of care givers but 10:1 seem like what they are seeing.
If that daycare has 50 employees, what’s the issue? The numbers don’t matter, it’s the amount of people under one caretaker that’s the issue.