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Yesterday marked one of the most shameful days in the history of the Metropolitan Police as they arrested peaceful protesters including a blind man in a wheelchair, an 81-year-old woman with Parkinson's, a former British army officer, and a bunch of, um, Quakers. All of them were protesting against two things: the UK's ongoing participation in the Gaza genocide and the proscription of Palestine Action. All of them were arrested under the Terrorism Act.

Imagine being the police officer whose job it was to wheel this man away. You can see the shame in his face as he lowers his head. These officers must know history is not going to judge them kindly, but they must also know just following orders is not okay. If I was a police officer, I would not have made those arrests, even if it cost me my job. Doing the right thing is infinitely more important than just following orders.

Yesterday police made twice the number of counter-terrorism arrests than they did in all of 2023 and one-fifth of those arrested were over 70. One police officer was wearing a hat that suggested he came from a Welsh police force. Remember this when police say they can't send any officers out after you've been burgled. Police are dealing with the real criminals now, and the real criminals include quakers. Yes, quakers were arrested.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The US used to have a streak of "everybody can make it" (back when it had higher social mobility than all of Europe, which isn't the case anymore), whilst the UK's streak all the way from the 19th century was "you should know your place" and it only got broken for a short period roughly covering the 60s and 70s (which, not by chance, was also their peak artistic time, both in Music and the Performing Arts) when anybody did have a chance to make it no matter where they came from.

Outside that, the country was dominated by the upper and middle class who from my own experience living there for over a decade and given my own cultural references when I got there (Dutch and Portuguese) are pretty culturally backwards and prone to being performative in how they act rather than genuine (the contrast with the Dutch is huge), the higher the social class the worst (the culture amongst the "old money" upper class is nasty: for example they will gloat - in a posh way - about any display of weakness, even amongst themselves).

Society in Britain is so stratified into social classes (and, given the pretty much non-existent social mobility, means it's lifelong) that upper class people have their own accent, which is separate from regional accents. I know a number of spoken languages and this is the only country I know where the upper class has its own accent.

As far as I can tell the US doesn't have this deeply calcified social strata with a dominant upper class with unchallenged ideas of what is "prim and propper" dating back to the 19th century, towards whom most of the rest of society looks up and who even have their own schools and ancient univerties providng a well travelled path from Cradle to "Captains of Industy" for their children. I mean, the US does have such people and structures, but they're nowhere as dominant over society and the structures of power (for example, there literally are almost no Judges in Britain which did not attend one of such special schools as children) and what there is in the US hasn't been in place and doing their thing for well over a century.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I ment the US equally supported nazis (as they do today).

I also speak multiple languages Dutch/Flemish being mother tongue.
While the Brit posh accent is one of the most famous and noticably distinct other languages have it too.
Flemish nobility or royals, same as the French, have distinctly different accents from us plebs.

While the US historically doesn't have royals or nobility and hasn't been around for long time they surely have established their version of this old boys system, as you said.
I don't agree that they have less power over society.
Surely the Brit version is elitist and near impossible to get in, the US is more 'democratic' if you get in a wildly expensive ivy league institution.
If you're smart enough you might get a scholarhip but most important is that you sell your soul in return and do the regime's bidding, and abandon your working class background.
Nearly everyone of a certain level in politics or business comes from these institutions.
And their scope encompasses the entire US sphere of influence.
European politicians nearly all have a few years mentioned in their LinkedIn page where they attended those same universities.
And same as Americans, the 'poor' but smart Europeans ready to sell out can get absorbed in the US regime apparatus through international grants and scholarships.
The Fullbright scholarship deserves a mention for delivering the worst of them.
Euro 'journalists' not worthy of that name since they are US mouthpieces often follow the same path.
Their reward is joining US related think tanks, another toxic phenomenon.
This gets them powerful positions and they are often invited by the Euro MSM as 'experts' to give their colored opinion on geopolitics.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In Britain it starts well before University, when the scions of the elites attend very exclusive "Public Schools" as teenagers (in typical British fashion, "Public" here doesn't mean state-sponsored like everywhere else, it means private and "open to anybody who can afford it" and even that last part is a lie for the most exclusive ones).

Mind you, whilst I wrote my previous post I kept going back and correcting things because the more I thought about the US in this context the more it seemed to me that the US nowadays does have a lot of that, it's just not as old and entrenched as in Britain plus the mindset of most people there isn't one of "people should know their place" as is in the UK.

I supposed you could say that whilst both countries are not at all meritocratic, people in the UK accept it as "the way things are" whilst people in the US still now (though it seems to be changing) deceive themselves into thinking "one day that might be me".